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Nutt on oversigning: 'I've never ran anyone off'

Posted on: February 15, 2011 10:40 am
Edited on: February 15, 2011 11:04 am
 
Posted by Jerry Hinnen

When asked about signing a whopping 38 players in his 2009 recruiting class -- all-but singlehandedly embarrassing the rest of the SEC into adopting a limit of 28 in all future classes, the rule that now informally carries his name -- Houston Nutt famously (or infamously) joked that "there’s no rule that says that we can’t sign 80." But when asked over the weekend about the number of signees in his current class, and what that might have meant for the newly-departed players from the Rebel roster, Nutt wasn't in a laughing mood.

As reported by Kyle Veazey of the Clarion-Ledger , several observers (including Eye on College Football ) looked at Nutt inking several more players on Signing Day than he appeared to have room for under the 85-scholarship limit, and wondered if it was coincidence that six Rebels had just disappeared from the Ole Miss roster. Much like Nick Saban before him, Nutt shot back to the press that yes, that did happen to be coincidence:
"I've never ran anyone off in my career unless they broke multiple team rules or just committed a serious crime or something like that," Nutt said. "That's never happened."

Nutt said all the departing players came to him requesting to leave for reasons ranging from personal issues to a desire for more playing time.

Critics charged Nutt with cutting those players to get under 85, but Nutt said that's unfounded. "What's unfair is (critics) go number by number and they don't have all the facts and then they say, 'He has to be running kids off,' " Nutt said.
To be fair to Nutt, until one of the six players speaks out regarding his departure from the team -- Veazey reported that one player declined comment, with the other five unable to be reached -- he's correct that the "critics" are responding to numbers alone rather than hard evidence the players were forced out to make room on the roster. It's also worth pointing out that if Veazey's numbers are correct, Nutt would have had to "run off" only a couple of players to fit under the 85 cap, rather than six.

But if there's any coach that's not going to receive the benefit of the doubt when it comes to oversigning, it's one that's already had his own rule named after him, doesn't have his 2011 class down to the NCAA-mandated 25 yet, and switched one recruit's full offer to a grayshirt just days before this past Signing Day . No one should blame Nutt for protesting his innocence, but he also can't be surprised if it takes a lot more protesting before that message gets across.

Comments

Since: Dec 10, 2008
Posted on: February 21, 2011 7:58 am
 

Nutt on oversigning: 'I've never ran anyone off'

Personally, as an SEC fan, I think the oversigning is a problem.  Yes, I'm sure it is happening at more than SEC schools, Texas, USC.  I think the issue is how visible SEC signing, coaching, and media are in today's world. 
1. Document during the season, how many scholarship players you currently have on your roster. It doesn't break FEd laws if there is no personal information included.2. Allow players to file dismissal claims against schools.  If the NCAA finds that a player was dismissed despite following all the rules at their school, they could rule that the school is required to maintain that scholarship against their limit for the remainder of time it was to be in place.  Even, if the kid plays somewhere else.   This would force schools to document discipline, dismissals, and requests for transfers, much like a business.



Since: Mar 20, 2007
Posted on: February 16, 2011 4:22 pm
 

Nutt on oversigning: 'I've never ran anyone off'

SEC math...

28+25+27+28=85...
That certainly better than Katzenmoyer, the pride of the Big 10, could do lol.  Or maybe that old Ohio State QB thought he really only stole three bucks - stay classy rust belt.



Since: Nov 15, 2007
Posted on: February 16, 2011 4:10 pm
 

Nutt on oversigning: 'I've never ran anyone off'

Let's not forget Pete Boone.  He is the guy who fired hired Orgeron (who has his own ethics issues) and Nutt.  Both Nutt and Boone need to be relieved of their duties.  Instead of worrying about silly crap like Colonel Reb, the Ole Miss alumni, boosters, students and fan base need to but their muscle behind pressuring the school to hire a coach and AD with integrity and character.  Hell, if lack of character and integrity is something the administration is comfotable with, at least hire someone who can coach!  Kentucky doesn't seem to mind scum bags (Coach Cal).  The difference is they at least hired someone who can put a winner on the playing field.



Since: Feb 14, 2007
Posted on: February 16, 2011 4:02 pm
 

Nutt on oversigning: 'I've never ran anyone off'

SEC math...

28+25+27+28=85...



Since: Mar 20, 2007
Posted on: February 16, 2011 12:15 pm
 

Nutt on oversigning: 'I've never ran anyone off'

Rikki your comments are just what can be expected from an SEC fan.  Yes, there are a few people on here that are whining, but the point of this story is that Houston Nutt is now obviously feeling the heat ove his own actions past and present.

As for your comment about Nutt and Saban not breaking any rules, well that may be true to the letter of the law, but not the intent.  The NCAA (an organization that has its own problems) has in place the 85/25 rule.  I have not taken the time to read ever line of this rule and I am sure there is sopme gray area which allows these coaches to feel like they can bend things how ever they want.

At issue is that it is very easy to identify how many players a program has on scholarship and how many will be leaving due to graduation, NFL draft, injury, etc., which then tells us how many players should be signed.  When coaches like Nutt and Saban continually, year after year go over those limits nearly by double digits, it tells me either they are very poor in identifying players that will fit their programs or they are signing what they think are better players to replace guys they signed in previous classes who may not have done as well as they had predicted.

The current system is pushing players and coaches to abuse it for their own advancement.  Players abuse it by their games with recruiting committment switches and also transfering at the drop of a hat if they find they are not getting the playing time they felt they deserved.  Coaches abuse it by oversigning players, promising things they should not be promising and then dumping players from previous classes because they made a mistake by signing them in the first place.

The annually renewable scholarship and the timeframes of the 85/25 rule allow for this to happen.  The bottom line is money.  The coaches salaries today put more pressure on the universities to answer to their constituencies with a winning program, which in turn puts pressure on the coaches to get the players that will help them win, and players are looking at the winning college programs only as a stepping stone to the next level when they can legally get their paycheck.

The offer of a free education to commit to a university until a player graduates is not enough in today's world.  Now don't get me wrong, there are many college athletes out there that understand the value of that education and get their diplomas and many also do very well in the classroom as well.  Those are the people that we do not hear enough about since their path in life is not flashy and most times does not result in the big paycheck, the signing bonus or even the money under the table.

In college football as in life, we look at the highlight of a person's career and expect the next person to be at that level right out of the chute.  Whether it is a coaching following in the footsteps of Bear Bryant or Tom Osborne or Bo Schembechler, etc. the fans and the universities want the next guy to win right now.  Nobody talks about the years that it took those coaches to build their programs into elite programs. 

Do people talk about Bryants' five win seasons at Kentucky?  No, they talk about his 11 win season.  Do people talk about Bryant's 1-9 season at Texas A&M?  No, they talk about his training camp the following year and the 9-0-1 season two years later.  Do people talk about his five and six win seasons at Alabama?  No, they talk about the National Championships.

Most people only talk about the last three or four seasons that Tom Osborne was head coach at Nebraska and the three National Titles and the fact that his teams went 60-3 ovwer his last five seasons.  They do not talk about all of the seasons that nine wins were not enough and the many losses to Oklahoma or the talent laden temas that lost unexpectedly to the Iowa States or Syracuses of the world.

The difference between those two individuals is that Osborne had his greatest successes in the era of scholarship limts and invasive media, while Bryant was free to sign a hundred players a year if he wanted to, just so Auburn or any other SEC school could get them and he ruled the media, not the other way around.  Well, I gues Bear just set the table for the oversigning taking place today in nearly every SEC school!
DMR your comments are juyst what we would expect from a subjective aplogist with an SEC axe to grind.
I think we are all sick of the holier-than-thou SEC bashes from conferences with at least as many, if not more, cheating and scandal issues.  You act like the SEC only wins when their aren't restrictions, which of course is absurd.  The 90s, when you point out that Nebraska gloriously won a championshiop by doing things the right way, you neglect to mention that Nebraska was the leading culprit in keeping and coddling criminals on a team (Lwarence Phillips anyone?)  Why use the dirtiest program of the 90s to point out how it should be done?  Why not the 19802 Miami Hurricanes lol?  You also neglect to mention that the SEC won three chamionships in the 90s, and that is incredibly impressive in the pre-BCS era as the voters wildly favored the Big-10 and Big-8.  It was guaranteed back then that if an SEC team had the same record as a Big-10 team, then every time that Big-10 would be ranked higher, which makes no sense when considers how much more difficult the SEC is.

And who actually led the nation in greyshirting last year?  Yep, the Big-10, but these same midwestern writers just love to focus on the SEC.  Les Miles had two greyshirts EVER and was raked over rthe coals.  Ohio State had 8 just last year.



Since: Mar 20, 2007
Posted on: February 16, 2011 12:06 pm
 

Nutt on oversigning: 'I've never ran anyone off'

"I've never ran anyone off in my career unless they broke multiple team rules or just committed a serious crime or something like that," Nutt said. "That's never happened."


Um, this is Houston Nutt we are talking about right?  He doesn't run those kinds of kids off, he recruits and pursues them.  Masoli anyone?  Does Houston Nutt EVER tell the truth?





Since: Sep 17, 2009
Posted on: February 16, 2011 9:39 am
 

Nutt on oversigning: 'I've never ran anyone off'

Rikki your comments are just what can be expected from an SEC fan.  Yes, there are a few people on here that are whining, but the point of this story is that Houston Nutt is now obviously feeling the heat ove his own actions past and present.

As for your comment about Nutt and Saban not breaking any rules, well that may be true to the letter of the law, but not the intent.  The NCAA (an organization that has its own problems) has in place the 85/25 rule.  I have not taken the time to read ever line of this rule and I am sure there is sopme gray area which allows these coaches to feel like they can bend things how ever they want.

At issue is that it is very easy to identify how many players a program has on scholarship and how many will be leaving due to graduation, NFL draft, injury, etc., which then tells us how many players should be signed.  When coaches like Nutt and Saban continually, year after year go over those limits nearly by double digits, it tells me either they are very poor in identifying players that will fit their programs or they are signing what they think are better players to replace guys they signed in previous classes who may not have done as well as they had predicted.

The current system is pushing players and coaches to abuse it for their own advancement.  Players abuse it by their games with recruiting committment switches and also transfering at the drop of a hat if they find they are not getting the playing time they felt they deserved.  Coaches abuse it by oversigning players, promising things they should not be promising and then dumping players from previous classes because they made a mistake by signing them in the first place.

The annually renewable scholarship and the timeframes of the 85/25 rule allow for this to happen.  The bottom line is money.  The coaches salaries today put more pressure on the universities to answer to their constituencies with a winning program, which in turn puts pressure on the coaches to get the players that will help them win, and players are looking at the winning college programs only as a stepping stone to the next level when they can legally get their paycheck.

The offer of a free education to commit to a university until a player graduates is not enough in today's world.  Now don't get me wrong, there are many college athletes out there that understand the value of that education and get their diplomas and many also do very well in the classroom as well.  Those are the people that we do not hear enough about since their path in life is not flashy and most times does not result in the big paycheck, the signing bonus or even the money under the table.

In college football as in life, we look at the highlight of a person's career and expect the next person to be at that level right out of the chute.  Whether it is a coaching following in the footsteps of Bear Bryant or Tom Osborne or Bo Schembechler, etc. the fans and the universities want the next guy to win right now.  Nobody talks about the years that it took those coaches to build their programs into elite programs. 

Do people talk about Bryants' five win seasons at Kentucky?  No, they talk about his 11 win season.  Do people talk about Bryant's 1-9 season at Texas A&M?  No, they talk about his training camp the following year and the 9-0-1 season two years later.  Do people talk about his five and six win seasons at Alabama?  No, they talk about the National Championships.

Most people only talk about the last three or four seasons that Tom Osborne was head coach at Nebraska and the three National Titles and the fact that his teams went 60-3 ovwer his last five seasons.  They do not talk about all of the seasons that nine wins were not enough and the many losses to Oklahoma or the talent laden temas that lost unexpectedly to the Iowa States or Syracuses of the world.

The difference between those two individuals is that Osborne had his greatest successes in the era of scholarship limts and invasive media, while Bryant was free to sign a hundred players a year if he wanted to, just so Auburn or any other SEC school could get them and he ruled the media, not the other way around.  Well, I gues Bear just set the table for the oversigning taking place today in nearly every SEC school!




Since: Aug 25, 2006
Posted on: February 16, 2011 12:36 am
 

Nutt on oversigning: 'I've never ran anyone off'

There is no message that needs to get across. Nutt nor Saban have done anything against the rules. Some of you people need to stop whining about what other teams are doing and worry about your own team.

As for "running players off", Georgia Tech has four players that are transferring including Chris Jackson who transferred from Alabama (Quentin Sims, Cooper Taylor and Jordan Luallen are the other three). When he left Alabama everyone got out their pitchforks and cried like little babies. Where are the critics now? Players transfer all the time. Does anyone remember who Troy Aikman played for?

Oversigning is a myth and you babies need to man up.



Since: Feb 28, 2008
Posted on: February 15, 2011 11:42 pm
 

Nutt on oversigning: 'I've never ran anyone off'

nlburrow, did you read my post?  I said I am thankful for what he did for Arkansas.  I am not bitter at all, I continue to say Houston is a great motivator and coach, his ego has caused him to think he should take the reins on Offense and he's an aweful play caller.  Im also not upset about Mustain.  We got Mallett since Mustain left....NO COMPARISON.  I was simply stating the facts that Houston did run those people off, its not opinion.  He is as medicore as can be, he will always down play expectations which he did already and will continue to do. 

RelRebs,

I love how you totally copied the word jilted from nlburrow's post, way to be original!



Since: Sep 5, 2010
Posted on: February 15, 2011 11:03 pm
 

Nutt on oversigning: 'I've never ran anyone off'

The ONE bonus of these CBS blogs is that if Houston Nutt is in the title of the article, no one else in the country has to point out the obvious or blast him.  That's because the fellow SEC brethren absolutely CRUSH HIM (and rightfully so) before the rest of us can even hit the "Comment" icon.  Kudos SEC fans!


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