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Eye on CFB Roundtable: Full cost scholarships

Posted on: May 24, 2011 2:19 pm

By Eye on College Football Bloggers

Each week, the Eye on CFB team convenes Voltron- style to answer a pressing question regarding the wild, wide world of college football. This week's topic:

Both Jim Delany and Mike Slive have come out in favor of "full cost of attendance" athletic scholarships that will include stipends for transportation, clothing, etc., in addition to covering tuition. But it's believed that not all conferences will be able to afford such stipends. Is this a plan college football fans should support?

Tom Fornelli: This is an interesting debate. Because my first inclination is that any extra money that the players can get, they should get. It's not that I think it'll keep players from breaking NCAA rules and taking money elsewhere or anything, it's just that I've always felt that the players should be getting a bigger piece of that billion dollar pie they bake to begin with.

That being said, I do worry about what this can lead to. It will affect recruiting. Let's say one conference is offering more than another. If I'm an 18-year old kid without a job, with an equal opportunity of playing at two different schools, but one is offering me $5,000 a year while the other $3,000? That $2,000 is going to make a big difference in my life. Plus, what if all the BCS conferences agree to a flat rate throughout to even that up? Well, that will just about kill the Mountain West's, WAC's and all the other non-BCS conferences' recruiting. The BCS already has an advantage over them, and now if they're offering even more, that gap only widens.

Adam Jacobi: You know what, though, Tom? I don't think the current recruiting rules did the little guys much good to begin with.

By that I mean, pretty much the only thing a school is allowed to use to entice a particular recruit is the relationship with the coach (playing time, off-field support) and the football program itself (game day, training facilities). Education also plays a role, but a rather weak one--the amount of young men who either A) enroll in the SEC or B) transfer from a quality school to some rinky-dink lower-division school whose diplomas mean about as much as a McDonald's placemat would indicate that the quality of education is not nearly as important as playing time or on-field prestige.

And sure, limiting recruiting pitches to football and education sounds good, but it basically means that a have-not type of school--your typical Sun Belt or MAC program, say--can't do a damn thing to entice an upper-level recruit to come there instead of to a BCS school.

Jerry Hinnen: Right. There's no question that the proposal would end any kind of recruiting "battles" between BCS and non-BCS teams (assuming the latter, as widely believed, couldn't come up with the scratch to put it into practice). Playing time and shots at championships only matter so much compared to (over four years) $8,000-$12,000.

But how many of those battles are going on in the first place? A handful in the West between Boise State and San Diego State and various Pac-12 schools ... maybe a few between bottom-rung BCS schools looking for sleepers in Texas and Florida and local C-USA teams like UCF, Houston and SMU ... perhaps a local metro recruit could be persuaded to stay in the MAC at Temple or, now, UMass, rather than going to ride the bench at a Big East cellar dweller.

AJ: Remember how funny it was that Cyrus Kouandjio kept leaving New Mexico in his Top 5? It's probably irritating to non-power schools that it was so funny.

At the same time, though, the last thing we need is a redux of the cash-crazy SWC days. That was unseemly and it ended badly. We don't need to encourage that type of behavior. And that's why I think what Tom's suggesting, that one school might be able to offer a flat sum of money more than the other, won't come to pass. There's going to be some strict regulation on what constitutes the full cost of attendance, and that seems fair. What I'd be interested in is how this extra money is disbursed. Surely they don't plan to award the money in a flat sum at the beginning of each semester, right? Because if you put $2,000 in a college kid's bank account and tell him it's got to last for four months, how long do you think that money's really going to last? And how much of that money is going to be spent conspicuously (i.e. cars, bling, alcohol), potentially embarrassing a school that fought hard for the athletes to get that extra money? JH: That could be a problem. But the fallout I'm worried about from this plan isn't what happens if it passes; it's what happens if the NCAA's mid-major rank-and-file (which may not have a dog in the FBS fight but will no doubt do whatever they can to protect their D-I men's hoops interests) find a way to keep it from passing. It's possible that that's the point at which the BCS schools take their ball and go home to their own, NCAA-free college football Premier League ... and as someone who enjoys seeing Boise State try to break through the glass ceiling and the C-USA champ take on the SEC in the Liberty Bowl and even, say, Temple take on Penn State in mid-September, I think college football would be dramatically poorer for it.

Chip Patterson: Further separation from the BCS and Non-BCS schools is the scariest aspect to me in this whole situation.  The threat/idea of a BCS breakaway from the NCAA (as Jerry mentioned) seems to be a doomsday scenario that everyone knows exists, but no one wants to talk about.  It would bring up new definitions and standards for college athletes, as well as amateurism in general.  Full cost scholarships are going to be a nightmare to try and define and establish across college football, and I fear the results of the conversation would only raise more problems than it would solve.  

Around many college campuses, the football team is on a bigger celebrity status than city officials.  You give 18-22 year olds a new stream of cash to go along with their larger-than-life status, there are going to be some consequences.  You could argue that there would be no more of a threat of off-field misconduct than already exists, but I find it difficult to imagine it won't play a factor in misconduct reports in the future.

Bryan Fischer: The one thing to keep in mind about these full-cost scholarship proposals is that they're going to be adjusted based on federal calculations to cover the gap between what the college scholarship covers now and what it actually costs to attend a school.

As Jim Delany has been quoted, players used to receive $15 for laundry every month and they still get the same $15 now. In essence, the Big Ten and SEC want to adjust scholarships for inflation. I think it's admirable and the right thing to do. If you're a parent spending thousands on private tutors and coaches and travel teams, I would think you'd be in favor of this too.

What remains to be seen is how you work out the nitty gritty details. There's Title IX considerations, partial scholarships for some sports to navigate around and a myriad of other issues. I don't think it will provide the recruiting advantage many think, since it's tied to cost of living. You go to USC or UCLA and you're going to get more money because gas is a tad more expensive than it is at Auburn or Alabama.

This idea has some traction with the membership, but the key will be nailing down the details and figuring out where the money is coming from. If the funding comes from student fees (in essence, students paying for student-athletes) then I can see a few roadblocks. There's a long way to go on this issue, and it will be interesting to see where those details take us.


Since: Mar 17, 2011
Posted on: May 25, 2011 6:49 pm

Eye on CFB Roundtable: Full cost scholarships

They shouldn't be given "extra nothing" because they're already getting "extra something" with all of the perks that come with being a scholarship athlete at the Division-1 Level--especially at a powerhouse program like Ohio State or USC. Besides being given a free (very expensive for others and their families) education they are able to get practically new cars and apartments although they don't have jobs. Tell me how many average college students can afford to buy a nice car and live in an off campus apartment? Furthermore, these geniuses get their egos stroked almost religiously by fan, the media, coaches and whatever other yes people out there enabling them and throwing bundles of love their way. The fact that this pay-for-play business even comes up is another product of the Giant Talking Heads of the sports media--and for giving this idea any credence leaves me flabbergasted. All this garbage about what they kind of capital these athletes bring to the universities is ludicrous because these jocks and part-time students wouldn't have the avenues and stages to flaunt their talents if it wasn't for the generous and rich benefactors funding the stadiums and arenas that these geniuses perform at. And don't forget the uniforms, bands, cheerleaders, saunas, great food, etc. that they get lavished with. And oh least I forget--the taxpayer's fund a great deal of the money that goes into these state universities as well.

Since: Sep 25, 2006
Posted on: May 25, 2011 3:53 pm

Eye on CFB Roundtable: Full cost scholarships

This is the absolute worst idea, ever.  These kids already have it all, and now you want to give them more?  How about they get off their lazy, pampered asses and take out student loans like the rest of us? 

Can't afford school?  What the hell?  No one can, and just because they're a bunch of communcations-major meatheads doesn't mean they should get a free ride.

Since: Apr 23, 2011
Posted on: May 25, 2011 3:14 pm

Eye on CFB Roundtable: Full cost scholarships

I have tossed this concept around in my head for awhile and I don't really know.  If you pay players you open up to how much and for who.  Also if you are a big school can you pay more.  Do you pay the top notch players more if so one player may be a top notch player at one place and not another.  I have no problem with the schools making money on the players for games and things that are associated with the games.  These profits go for funding of the other university sport programs.  I don't think it is right for Nike,Reebok, UnderArmor or EA Sports to market these kids and pay out nothing.  Did anybody see the special on ESPN about the Fab Five or the Obanon brothers from UCLA.  Nike made a ton of money on a Fab 5 sneaker, and EA sports had the image of the Obanon kids right down to the freckles on there faces.  These companies made a furtune on these marketing schemes.

Since: Jan 6, 2007
Posted on: May 24, 2011 4:31 pm

Eye on CFB Roundtable: Full cost scholarships

Well you boys are really on top of CFB issues.  The only way I can see any assistance being given in what are already very expensive scholarships, is for the University or its community to provide real jobs that can provide a truly needy individual some income.  In the long run, however, there's no realistic way to control this: Re Cam Newton's Daddy's church's improvements.  T shirts and jeans don't cost much, and food and lodging are provided.  There's Good Will and The Salvation Army.  I see this as a Reggie Bush topic and certainly don't want the Fed. Gov. involved (TitleIX)!  Yeah, let's increase Obama's Nightmare budgeting capabilities, or didn't you know that we don't have inflation?!  What the heck did they wear in high school, and what needs dry cleaning?  Are these kids needing some Armani?

Since: Apr 12, 2011
Posted on: May 24, 2011 3:15 pm

Eye on CFB Roundtable: Full cost scholarships

There are going to be a few things that shoot this down.

1) The NCAA schools are looking at potential antitrust action. Any move that would serve to separate the BCS schools from the other I-A schools would bring about further investigation from the DOJ.

2) Schools have tax-exempt status. If you pay the players, that could potentially jeopardize them as tax-exempt entities.

3) The potential sources of this money. I've heard that there are only a handful of schools actually making money on their football programs. If you were to pay the athletes, then you'd have to generate funds from somewhere. I find it hard to imagine, as a recent graduate, that I would approve paying extra student fees to pay these athletes. Also, school faculties probably wouldn't be too keen on that idea, since they generally feel that research and education are more important than athletics. Thus, anything that would be perceived to take money away from education and put it towards athletics would be fought by faculty.

4) Title IX. If you pay football players, you have to pay a proportionate amount to women athletes. If most football programs lose money, women's programs certainly lose even more money. You have to be able to generate funds for this.

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