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If Lyles is telling truth, Chip Kelly must go

Posted on: July 1, 2011 6:49 pm
Edited on: July 1, 2011 7:17 pm
 

Posted by Adam Jacobi

As reported earlier, controversial scouting service owner Willie Lyles told Yahoo! Sports that he received money from Oregon to indirectly steer recruits to Eugene, and that the infamous obsolete scouting report was sent in order to make the $25,000 payment appear more legitimate. Lyles also told Yahoo! that he met with the NCAA in March, and that he withheld details at that meeting that he would later reveal to Yahoo!.

Oregon's options at this point are simple: dispute heavily Lyles' version of events, or fire head coach Chip Kelly.

If Lyles isn't telling the truth, obviously, that's not Oregon's fault, nor should it necessitate any discipline for Kelly. That said, Oregon had better be on the offensive about that right now, and have a paper trail to back it up. Simply repeating that Oregon doesn't think it did anything wrong isn't going to fly anymore -- not with Lyles' statements out there and the litany of NCAA violations possible here. Lyles said what just about everybody was thinking -- that the "scouting report" was a sham, and that the money was really for some sort of indirect coercive influence -- and he's got the ambiguously worded cards from two different Oregon coaches (including Kelly) to back it up.

That all said, the existing evidence as of right now paints Kelly and Oregon as brazen flouters of NCAA rules, to the point that the best thing Lyles said about recruiting arrangement was that he wasn't directly influencing the prospects' decisions. That appears to be a distinction without much of a difference, however. Look at what Lyles said about getting five-star RB recruit Lache Seastrunk to Oregon:

Lyles said Oregon's assistant director of football operations, Josh Gibson, had direct knowledge – and played an ancillary role – in Lyles helping [...] Seastrunk petition to have his grandmother, rather than his mother, sign his national letter of intent with the Ducks in February 2010. Seastrunk's mother, who expressed opposition to her son about attending Oregon, otherwise could have blocked the signing.

Lyles then says outright that it was an indirect but pivotal role in getting Seastrunk to Oregon, but... that sounds pretty direct. And as for the amount of influence was involved here, Lyles basically says outright that Oregon went around the wishes of Seastrunk's mother. To see Seastrunk not only calling out Alabama head coach Nick Saban at Toomer's Corner while being recruited by Auburn in 2009, but still talking fondly of the Tigers in the lead up to the BCS Championship Game, it certainly appears that a significant amount of work was put into getting Seastrunk to Oregon instead of Auburn. Whether that was legal work is for the NCAA to decide.

Here's how bad the situation is for Oregon: the best argument Kelly and the Ducks can make is that the $25,000 couldn't have been used to land Seastrunk and the other recruits, because if there's one thing the Cam Newton ($180,000) and Patrick Peterson ($70,000) situations showed us, $25,000 is far below asking price for even one high-profile player. And they'd be right. It still doesn't answer the question of what the $25,000 was really playing for, though, and that's the question that may derail Oregon's program and Kelly's career right as both were getting good. 

Comments

Since: Jul 3, 2011
Posted on: July 4, 2011 10:58 pm
 

If Lyles is telling truth, Chip Kelly must go

the steering of recruits to a university is a violation, moving a recruit to another state to pass exams to gain admission is wrong and ethical questions and possible violations, having grandma sign letter of intent instead of mom in seastrunks case looks like a problems plus the connection with the relationships with the recruits moms. some of these circumstances make him a u of o extension and also could be deemed violations as well. he meaning lyles is a problem for u of o and any other college program that has used this man and his services. be weary of him.



Since: Jul 4, 2011
Posted on: July 4, 2011 9:56 pm
 

If Lyles is telling the truth, Chip Kelly must go

Guilty till proven innocent!!! The KEY elements of this case stem from Lyle's relationship with other schools. Note he did not express his relationship with Cal, LSU, Auburn, and Louisville. How many trips did he arrange for LSU? He obviously set up one for multiple recruits on visits to Baton Rouge. The big question originally was why $25,000. Lyles displays a perfectly good reason why. His longstanding relationship with Oregon. So again, was what he provided Oregon done exclusively for Oregon. There's a picture of Lyles with three recruits at an LSU game. Think that situation was much different than Oregon's? I don't. Except those thank you cards. Furthermore, LSU was savy enough to asked for product BEFORE paying Lyles. Keily didn't approach his relationship with Lyles professionally. A bigger question is does Oregon have a relationship with other scouting services? If so, they are in trouble. If not, naive actions may create a world of hurt for Oregon. One other thing: Lyles seems shady, but it appears to me he was simply unprofessional. He took the time to find the Scouting service that charged the most, but didn't research how to compete at a high level with the top dogs in the industry (hence the sloppy records, billing process, and business approach with schools).



Since: Jul 3, 2011
Posted on: July 4, 2011 8:35 pm
 

If Lyles is telling truth, Chip Kelly must go

it will be interesting if chip is actually going to be gone and bellotti comes back. according to news in the portland area some of the offenses were when chip was the offensive coordinator meaning belloti was the head coach. so, did he know or not know about lyles and the texas 2 step with the recruits. time will tell how deep this runs and who all it has affected. it just goes to show you it does not pay to cheat you always get caught or feel like you are always looking over your shoulder. tough situation to be in for the DUCKS. time to "duck" and cover. look out for the crap so to speak.



Since: Dec 28, 2010
Posted on: July 4, 2011 5:22 pm
 

If Lyles is telling truth, Chip Kelly must go

truly too bad u of o was going well without the problem they are now dealing with, but, they created the situation themselves by getting with lyles and then the aftermath. i bet the wholr truth will dig up alot more as this whole thing unravels. duck fans should be bent at chip for putting their program at risk. it was not needed and yet he did it. it stops with him as the guy ib charge. when you are the top duck you have to be the one who does or does not violate the rules. shame on you chip for messing up the u of o football program. they deserve better and so does the pac-12.



I wonder if Mike Belotti is still in the hunt for a coaching job or if he's content at ESPN?



Since: Jul 3, 2011
Posted on: July 4, 2011 3:11 pm
 

If Lyles is telling truth, Chip Kelly must go

truly too bad u of o was going well without the problem they are now dealing with, but, they created the situation themselves by getting with lyles and then the aftermath. i bet the wholr truth will dig up alot more as this whole thing unravels. duck fans should be bent at chip for putting their program at risk. it was not needed and yet he did it. it stops with him as the guy ib charge. when you are the top duck you have to be the one who does or does not violate the rules. shame on you chip for messing up the u of o football program. they deserve better and so does the pac-12 and the state of oregon. go back to delaware soon.



Since: Dec 25, 2006
Posted on: July 4, 2011 2:25 pm
 

If Lyles is telling truth, Chip Kelly must go

This guys a liar, support or coach, we didnt do anything wrong... Sounds like the typical OSU, USC, UNC style reaction. Open your eyes Duck Nation, or maybe you dont want to watch as the Ducks go down in flames.



Since: Feb 8, 2011
Posted on: July 4, 2011 3:02 am
 

If Lyles is telling truth, Chip Kelly must go

Lyles is Oregon's version of Lloyd Lake... Do you remember what the Oregon fans and others said about Lloyd Lake? Well, they're back!



Since: Apr 29, 2010
Posted on: July 3, 2011 10:04 pm
 

If Lyles is telling truth, Chip Kelly must go

Too many things add up with Lyles story. Plus the university cut the check. Because of that their violations will set a new standard for "lack of institutional control". Ducks are dead. Chippy's college coaching career is over. Only has NFL left. 



Since: Apr 29, 2010
Posted on: July 3, 2011 9:56 pm
 

If Lyles is telling truth, Chip Kelly must go

Good post! Well put. Duck fans should be furiuos with Chip Kelly. Just furious. Such a great footbal coach but also the wrong guy for the job.



Since: Jul 3, 2011
Posted on: July 3, 2011 5:47 pm
 

If Lyles is telling truth, Chip Kelly must go

portland oregonian sports writer was lied to by kelly. when askec about willie lyles he said he did not know him. when reviled that he was connected to uof o and kelly knew him he recanted and acted like surprice we refer to as "will" around here. meaning the u of u football department wow will vs willie. i get it kelly must must not have.kelly is gone for lying and covering up the money by ordering after the fact recruiting 'stuff' that was for show and cover. too bad with nike billions they did not need to go into cheating and lieing and coverup mode . sad for u of o, pac-12, and state of oregon. out of control stop it now


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