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NCAA investigation of Auburn isn't over

Posted on: July 13, 2011 8:32 pm
 
Posted by Tom Fornelli

If you thought that the NCAA's investigation of Auburn and its recruitment of Cam Newton was over, then it seems you'd be wrong. At least, that's the impression NCAA Vice President of Enforcement Julie Roe Lach gave Auburn head coach Gene Chizik last month. That's when football and basketball coaches from the SEC were in Destin, Florida where Lach made a presentation to the group.

According to a report in the New York Times, after Lach opened up her presentation for discussion, Chizik had quite a few questions for her and then she dropped a bombshell on him.
[Chizik] peppered Roe Lach with a flurry of questions about the N.C.A.A.’s investigation into Cam Newton and why the N.C.A.A. had not publicly announced that the investigation was over. Chizik complained that the inquiry’s open-ended nature had hurt Auburn’s recruiting and he followed up at least three times, leading to a testy exchange.

“You’ll know when we’re finished,” Roe Lach told Chizik, according to several coaches who were at the meeting. “And we’re not finished.”
Well then!

While neither the NCAA or Auburn would confirm the exchange between Chizik and Roe Lach, according to the New York Times report, four fellow SEC basketball coaches -- Vanderbilt's Kevin Stallings, Arkansas' Mike Anderson, LSU's Trent Johnson and Ole Miss' Andy Kennedy -- did confirm the exchange to the paper.

Of course, just because the investigation isn't over, that doesn't mean the NCAA is going to find any new evidence than what it has already and use it to punish Auburn. Still, the fact that the NCAA is still digging around can't be all that comforting for Auburn faithful.


Comments

Since: Aug 10, 2006
Posted on: July 15, 2011 5:26 pm
 

NCAA investigation of Auburn isn't over

@rebels...

Fair enough.  I have enjoyed it too.  I also just want the facts to be clear and I think that was what Chizik was after.  I believe he has a right to know what is going on with the investigation upon Cam.  I mean, what if tomorrow it comes out that someone did pay Cam and they have the paper trail that proves it, but they can't connect that person who paid with Auburn.  Auburn would forfeit the wins and lose the championship because Cam would be ineligible, but Auburn likely wouldn't go on probation because at the time, like you said, the investigation was incomplete and Auburn had no reason to sit him.  This is why I feel Auburn will be in the clear.  It appears Auburn would have gone to Cam and been like "Ok kid, this is bigger than you, what happened?"  And they chose to play him because they were confident nothing was there.  Just my opinion.   

There is still a lot to be uncovered in this case and I refuse to make any judgements until I know all the facts. 

I also prefer when Alabama and Auburn are both doing well.

WAR EAGLE.



Since: Jan 5, 2007
Posted on: July 15, 2011 5:08 pm
 

NCAA investigation of Auburn isn't over

No, I am not saying it doesn't exist.  I am saying there is no evidence that AUBURN is being investigated because there is no evidence that we have received a LOI yet.  What they are investigating is the recruitment of Cam Newton, the player who played at Auburn.  Two different things.  Chizik is concerned because Cam played at Auburn.  We may have to forfeit wins even if Miss State paid Cam.  We could lose his eligibility even if we didn't pay him.  Chizk had every right to ask.  Until it is clear that Auburn has received a LOI and the NCAA releases that sanctions are coming Auburn's way, everyone has a right to be curious.

Now THIS, I can understand. I'm not "admitting" that I believe it, or concur with your assement, but I can understand it. But it's not anyting I arguing for or against.


but, with that, I'll end this, for my part.


I've enjoyed the back and forth, even though I may have seemed testy or upset, I really really enjoyed this.


Good luck to you and Auburn.


While I truly do hate Auburn, MY only TRUE wish is that no matter what happens, is that the Iron Bowl not be affected in anyway. I wish no ill will or unwarranted accusations or sanctions against Auburn. I only hope in the end the truth comes out and that there is no doubt either way that we know what did or did not happen.

Roll Tide!!



Since: Aug 10, 2006
Posted on: July 15, 2011 5:07 pm
 

NCAA investigation of Auburn isn't over

That's the only thing you have said that rings with any truth..You assumed.


Yeah, I am forced to assume, as are you.  No one in the public at the moment knows what is going on.  There are no facts in this case to dispute or confirm at the moment. 


It's a statement, not an admission. In order for me to make an admission, I would to have had to make a claim coontrary to my stance, which is not the case. I have not contradicted myself in anyway that would require any.


Sure you have, you just don't come right out and say it.  Anyone who reads this knows exactly your agenda or what you hope will happen.  You can deny it all you want but it's called common sense.  At the end of the day, I can walk away from this debate knowing that I argued that I don't believe anything will happen to Auburn because I feel there isn't much there, and as we speak, nothing contradicts me.  You walk away with exactly what?  What exactly are you arguing?  That an investigation is still going?  Are you really going to argue for two days to make that point?  Clearly you want some outcome to that if you are going to waste this much time in your day.  I am being true to my belief by outright telling you and going on the record I think nothing will happen.  You are the one crossing your fingers and hiding behind some, "you better watch out because it is still going on" ideaology.  My answer is the same: I don't feel any different than I did six months ago. 

I know you never personally suggested Auburn was involved in the Milton McGregor case.  I was simply using that as an example of how things can get blown out of proportion and rumors and facts can be distorted through the media, websites, and blogs.  A relevant point with the topic at hand I believe. 



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Since: Jan 5, 2007
Posted on: July 15, 2011 4:38 pm
 

NCAA investigation of Auburn isn't over

 can only assume that because


That's the only thing you have said that rings with any truth..You assumed.



I am happy you finally admitted you don't know what really happened.
It's a statement, not an admission. In order for me to make an admission, I would to have had to make a claim coontrary to my stance, which is not the case. I have not contradicted myself in anyway that would require any.



P.S.  How is that Milton McGregor trial going?  Where are those wiretaps and rigged casino cards? 
Again, I have never made a claim about this. I don't believe it has anything to do with the NCAA or Auburn, though I could be wrong. But again, another assumption....


So the question here s, have I made any assumptions? Not that pertain to the actual topic. I've assumed your a tAUrd.  I''ve assumed from the evidence at hand your a tool.  Other than that, I have made no assumptions, nor disputed any facts.

You on the other hand have offered NO FACTS to contradict anything I have stated, nor offerd anything other than assumptions to support your "belief". Every argument or assertion you have made has been based in ASSUMPTION.




Since: Aug 10, 2006
Posted on: July 15, 2011 3:48 pm
 

NCAA investigation of Auburn isn't over

Report for rebels....hopefully you can see this one:

@rebels

I am sorry I am just not sure what you are wanting me to own up to.  I have been very consistent in what my opinion was, and that is that I simply do not know all the facts, and therefore, can only assume that because Auburn chose to go with the reinstatement process, that either we felt confident there was nothing there, or that the NCAA would never find anything.  It doesn't matter if I, or other Auburn fans, or the entire country knew that the reinstatement process had no investigative facts and only facts from Auburn.  That still doesn't change Auburn's intent, which was we were confident nothing was there and normally that stuff is given from inside sources.  Why exatcly is that such an important piece of information for you?  You suffer from this delusion that just because an investigation is open, not open, in limbo, unclear, whatever, that it should increase my worry or make me feel different or uncomfortable.  My answer is no.  I feel the same way I did six months ago.  This article means nothing.  All that happened was Chizik asked a question and he got the answer everyone already knew.  Until the NCAA rules or says it is closed it is obviously open but that doesn't mean I should worry more, which is the way you are coming off.  So, in closing, unless you have some new credible evidence against Auburn, or some other insight that would suggest we should worry more, I suggest you just move on and wait for the results because you really just come off as a wishful thinking sore loser who can't handle UAT lost the Iron Bowl.

I am happy you finally admitted you don't know what really happened.

P.S.  How is that Milton McGregor trial going?  Where are those wiretaps and rigged casino cards?   




Since: Aug 10, 2006
Posted on: July 15, 2011 3:46 pm
 

NCAA investigation of Auburn isn't over

There we go, fixed. 


Are you trying to say that because there is no letter of inquiry, then there is not an NCAA investigation?  If Auburn has never been sent an official LOI, then why does Chizik have a burr under his saddle?  Why would he be pissy about the NCAA not closing an investigation that does not exist?  And why would the NCAA rep get irritatied by his badgering and state in no uncertain terms that the investigation is still open and active?  Somebody is confused.

No, I am not saying it doesn't exist.  I am saying there is no evidence that AUBURN is being investigated because there is no evidence that we have received a LOI yet.  What they are investigating is the recruitment of Cam Newton, the player who played at Auburn.  Two different things.  Chizik is concerned because Cam played at Auburn.  We may have to forfeit wins even if Miss State paid Cam.  We could lose his eligibility even if we didn't pay him.  Chizk had every right to ask.  Until it is clear that Auburn has received a LOI and the NCAA releases that sanctions are coming Auburn's way, everyone has a right to be curious. 



Since: Aug 10, 2006
Posted on: July 15, 2011 3:41 pm
 

NCAA investigation of Auburn isn't over

yawnnnn....bump



Since: Aug 10, 2006
Posted on: July 15, 2011 3:41 pm
 

NCAA investigation of Auburn isn't over

good lord...bump



Since: Aug 10, 2006
Posted on: July 15, 2011 3:41 pm
 

NCAA investigation of Auburn isn't over

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Since: Aug 10, 2006
Posted on: July 15, 2011 3:40 pm
 

NCAA investigation of Auburn isn't over

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