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Ohio State won't be hit with failure to monitor

Posted on: July 22, 2011 4:34 pm
Edited on: July 22, 2011 5:13 pm
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Posted by Tom Fornelli

Ohio State got some good news on Friday when the NCAA announced that it had not found any new violations to charge Ohio State with, and would not be hitting the school with a "failure to monitor" charge. From the report in the Columbus Dispatch:
The NCAA has notified Ohio State University that it will not face charges of failing to appropriately monitor its football team as part of a memorabilia-sales scandal that brought down former Coach Jim Tressel.

The NCAA has not uncovered any new, unreported violations during its investigation and agrees with Ohio State that Tressel was the only university official aware of violations by his players and that he failed to report them.

"Other than (two redacted player names) and (Ted) Sarniak, there is no indication that Tressel provided or discussed the information he received ... with anyone else, particularly athletics administrators," the NCAA reported in an enforcement staff case summary.
The entire case summary can be read here. You can also read all 139 pages of the NCAA's interview with Jim Tressel here

What does this mean for Ohio State? Well, no school has ever received a postseason or television ban without being hit with the "failure to monitor" charge, and the odds of Ohio State facing such a punishment are now essentially non-existent. This also means that the blame for the entire situation will continue to lie solely at Jim Tressel's feet, and since he's already stepped down as head coach at Ohio State, the rest of the school's athletic department can sleep soundly tonight and in the future.

This news all comes after a report was released by a Columbus-area television station earlier on Friday afternoon saying that Tressel had told the NCAA he informed others at Ohio State about the transgressions of his players in December of 2010. A full month before Ohio State claims it came upon any information regarding the case.

Ohio State "categorically" denied the report, and with this latest announcement from the NCAA, it seems the NCAA felt the same way.
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Since: Aug 31, 2006
Posted on: July 27, 2011 8:55 pm
 

Ohio State won't be hit with failure to monitor

SKREFFY--the jokes , misinformation and FALSE  data  just keep coming.  AGAIN , LSU did NOT have the first black athlete-Miss State had the first bball player a full FIVE years before COLLIS TEMPLE enrolled at LSU.  I suggest you do some research before making claims that arent true or have NO basis of fact.  And your analogy of a murder case and students selling their equipment for tats as comparable and making the statement(post) "Ohio State is the Casey Anthony of college football" is so puerile and junior high school ; ANY  debate judge or lawyer would laugh at your comment/comparison.   IF we must talk about our family heritage , coming from Prussian ancestry or so you claim;  Id bet you recognize  the term VON in a name(it was dropped from our name upon arrival in U.S.) and suffice to say  our family has been traced to the royal court of Charlemagne  with a royal residence(read : CASTLE ) near Utrecht , Holland.  But back to task at hand --the 'mountain of evidence " you claim that exists either has been proven false (SI article and special deals on cars) , heresay or unproven; which as ANY lawyer worth his salt knows WONT win him a court case. So whatever your opinion may be --it hasnt , cant and wont be proven AND your other statements (LSU, etc) ALSO have been shown to be WRONG.  So ,  you may claim I have swung and missed but at least I WAS in the GAME to do so.  You have proven YET again, you havent even been in the BALLPARK.  GAME SET MATCH --say goodnite Dick.



Since: Dec 5, 2007
Posted on: July 25, 2011 5:51 pm
 

Ohio State won't be hit with failure to monitor

Ladies and gentlemen, I'll be brief. The issue here is not whether they broke a few rules, or took a few liberties with their female party guests - they did. Wink

But you can't hold a whole football program responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole college football system? And if the whole college football system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Greg - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen! Cool



Since: Oct 10, 2009
Posted on: July 25, 2011 5:51 pm
 

Ohio State won't be hit with failure to monitor

"How People Learned To Stop Thinking For Themselves and Let Others Do It For Them"
By Tony Gerdeman

That sound you heard on Friday afternoon was the simultaneous wailing of the collective horde of national writers as they were ceremoniously drenched with a bucket of humility, resignation and reality.

The NCAA told Ohio State that they found no new infractions and that a Failure to Monitor charge would not be coming. The opinion-givers melted into a puddle of pus and muck, all the while screaming “What a world! What a world!”

While the ultimate sanctions aren't known yet, it is doubtful that a postseason ban will be handed down, which is apparently the one penalty that writers had been praying for. Literally.

For months we have heard the speculation about what people should expect Ohio State's punishment to be, but it was always based on reports that never seemed to turn out to be very accurate.

There was oft-laughed about George Dohrmann piece in Sports Illustrated that labeled nine other Buckeyes as rule-breakers. Eight of those players were cleared. If batting .200 is considered the 'Mendoza Line', then .111 should be the 'Dohrmann Line'.

Dohrmann tweeted on Friday that the NCAA wouldn't grant his grand source "Ellis" anonymity, so Ellis chose not to talk to the NCAA because he feared retribution from Ed Rife.

Ironically, when Jim Tressel talked about fearing for his players' safety regarding Rife retribution, it was laughed off as a lie. But it turns out that this fear is a real and apparent thing, or else Ellis would have talked to the NCAA, and Dohrmann wouldn't have had to hide his source's identity in the first place.

At least Dohrmann acknowledges that being afraid of what Rife was capable of is a legitimate concern, even if he won't admit it.

Despite the firestorm leading up to it, the article was quickly and immensely panned. People should have remembered that - me included - when the next bit of news broke little more than a week later.

Sports gossip site Sports by Brooks reported, and confirmed his own report, that the NCAA had found checks that were given to Terrelle Pryor as payment for signing memorabilia.

The next day, Dan Wetzel with Yahoo! took that bit of news and wrote a piece entitled "Why the OSU case is worse than that of USC".

In the piece, Wetzel cites two main reasons why Ohio State was worse than USC. The first being that Pryor was receiving checks.

"It’s the proof that the school, and its highest leaders, not only failed to monitor the behavior of its star athletes, but even when tipped off by federal authorities of a major scandal, failed to find out what was actually going on."

The second bit of "reasoning" was that USC didn't find out about Reggie Bush's violations until after he was gone. Ohio State found out about Pryor's violations while he was still in school, and somehow that's actually worse than NOT finding anything while the kid is still in school.

Isn't the fact that Ohio State found out about infractions proof of monitoring, and not LACK of it? Whereas USC let Reggie Bush finish playing before acknowledging his wrongdoing. I don't see how this can be debated.

With the NCAA coming out and saying that they have found no new violations, it would seem to reason that Sports by Brooks was wrong when he said, and confirmed, that the NCAA had checks in Pryor's name, and if there are no checks, then Wetzel's premise was just an exercise in conclusion jumping - and guessing wrong.

Wetzel is an incredibly-respected writer and reporter, and so for him to write something like this tells you a little bit about the national perception. It's okay to be wrong as long as everybody agrees with what you're writing.

Even though we don't know what the final punishment will be, rest assured that a lot of people have been wrong about this.

It's not hard to see why when you have logic failures like this tweet from Dennis Dodd on Friday night:

"It's clear from this non-finding that the enforcement model is beyond broken. How does this deter any coach from doing the same?"

Jim Tressel lost his job, and somewhere north of $20 million dollars. How's that for a deterrent?

Many folks responded to Dodd with just such a comment. As you would expect, he chose not to respond, because he would have to admit he was wrong, and that's something a lot of people have a hard time doing. That's why we saw so much rage on Friday.

Dodd, and others, on the back of this decision are calling for the NCAA enforcement practices to be burned down, blown up, tarred, feathered, and possibly even purple nurpled.

Back in May, the NCAA invited media members to attend a mock enforcement session. Here's an interesting point made by Dodd in his piece about attending that session:

"In each case, there are layers of rules, nuance and policies to be understood. We as a society largely don't have the attention span or interest to follow along."

No kidding. Nor do most writers, apparently.

ESPN's Pat Forde, he of the notion that Ohio State's self-imposed sanctions were akin to 50 lashes with a wet noodle, also attended the session. Here's what he wrote:

"They want us to write nice things about the enforcement process, of course, and we will, because enforcement director Julie Roe Lach and her staff deserve it after lifting the curtain on the most controversial and misunderstood thing the NCAA does. The association is gradually emerging from decades of bunker mentality in which it was secretive about everything - especially enforcement - and this was another step forward in that regard."

Wetzel took part in the session as well, and had this to write:

"Fans would feel reassured knowing people such as this are trying to keep college football and basketball in line. Most cries from the public demand stronger sanctions (as long as they are consistently applied). The committee on infractions says the same thing."

How things change.

I believe these people wouldn't be so angry if they had taken some time to do some research that didn't consist solely of innuendo and rumor. But let's be honest, innuendo and rumor is so much easier.

Research takes a lot of work. Researching past sanctions over the last 20 years involving 10.1 violations took me the better part of an entire weekend.

There is really no reason for a national writer to do that kind of work because it's easier just to write what you think, as opposed to what others know.

Our job is to cover Ohio State. Their job is to talk about college football. Can you see the difference?

The problem starts when opinion is laundered into fact. It starts out as one thing, passes through several hands, and somehow comes back as science.

When you add that in with bad reporting, like Sports by Brooks saying that he was hearing that the Ohio State sanctions will be like the Baylor basketball sanctions, which saw them barred from playing any non-conference games, things tend to get a little out of control.

Yet this information is consumed like tin cans in an old man's goat field.

Writers dug themselves a hole when they lumped Ohio State together with USC and held the two in constant comparison.

USC held the NCAA at bay while Ohio State invited them in. USC violated 31 bylaws. Ohio State violated five. The similarity stops at the fact that both five and 31 are prime numbers, yet people cling to the two schools like a lifeboat.

The national writers can continue to pretend to be upset as long as they like. It will actually give them something to write about, meaning they're not really all that upset about the situation.

In the end, I contend that if more people had done actual research, they wouldn't be surprised at the current direction the sanctions are heading.

We have tried to put things as straightforwardly as possible, because that's what the invested reader wants and deserves.

I certainly contend that our readers shouldn't be surprised with Friday's announcement, especially given that this is what we've been saying is likely to happen for a while now.

It may pay to be reactionary, but after a while it costs you your credibility. I guess that's why it's just easier to attack the entities that made it happen in the first place.

Don't be angry at the NCAA, be angry at the people who did your "research" for you. Then be angry at yourself for running with it like a baton on the anchor leg.

It's okay to admit when you're wrong, but as I said earlier, as long as people agree with you, you can be wrong seven days a week and people will still nod like they have never seen truth presented in such an amazing way.

Even when writers are wrong, the only thing that matters are mouse clicks and papers bought.

Remember, there are no sanctions for writers being wrong, only for being ignored.




Since: Nov 5, 2007
Posted on: July 25, 2011 5:33 pm
 

Ohio State won't be hit with failure to monitor

yihawyi----I am confused. You fault me for asking hypothetical questions, then you pose the thought that the same cheating is happening everywhere. That seems like a hypothetical statement, since I assume you have no proof that cheating is, in fact, going on at Northwestern. And if you are suggesting that I am foolish for clinging to the notion that the same violations should receive the same penalties, then call me foolish every day of the week, and twice on Sunday. You say the car deals were legitimized, and I argue they were legitimized to the rogue ally that they have in the NCAA office. To this point, no one has legitimized how Pryor was driving numerous different cars as loaners, unless you are the NCAA. I understand that you can only get punished for what you get caught doing, and I agree. They were absolutely caught trading autographed memorabilia, championship rings, gold pants, etc. for very expensive Tatoos. Does it matter the dollar value involved? Or is it about the infraction? I beg to differ with you, it DOES matter if I think Gee and Smith were involved. And we NEED to ask the question. Gee is the one that wondered out loud if Tressel was going to fire him!! I think that forces us to ask the question. At the end of the same day you speak of, if this doesn't demonstrate failure to monitor, then shame on the NCAA. If WE don't ask the questionsabout what really happened and how far it went, then shame on us.



Since: Oct 15, 2006
Posted on: July 25, 2011 4:57 pm
 

Ohio State won't be hit with failure to monitor

Hey, skreffty, thought I'd refresh your memory with the NFL (forensic, not football) oath.

NFL Oath

"As a member of the National Forensic League, I pledge to uphold the highest standards of integrity, humility, respect, leadership and service in the pursuit of excellence."

Integrity: An NFL member obeys the highest ethical standards and adheres to the rules of the League. NFL members recognize that integrity is central to earning the trust, respect, and support of one's peers. Integrity encompasses the highest regard for honesty, civility, justice and fairness.

Humility: An NFL member does not regard him or herself more highly than others. Regardless of a person's level of success, he or she always looks beyond oneself to appreciate the inherent value of others.

Respect: An NFL member respects individual differences and fosters diversity. He or she promotes tolerance, inclusion and empowerment for people from a variety of backgrounds.

Leadership: An NFL member influences others to take positive action toward productive change. NFL members commit to thoughtful and responsible leadership which promotes the other core values in the NFL Code of Honor.

Service: An NFL member exercises the talents he or she has been given to provide service to his or her peers, community, and the League. At all times an NFL member is prepared to work constructively to improve the lives of others.

How does that jibe with calling other posters names such as "dork" and "moron" for instance?




Since: Jan 17, 2008
Posted on: July 25, 2011 4:54 pm
 

Ohio State won't be hit with failure to monitor

A the end of the day,...Ohio State cheated, lied about, and won't suffer.  period. 


Skreffty, you act as though OSU has gotten off without punishment.  Obviously, that is not the case.

Umm, let's see, OSU has...

*   Vacated the 2010 season, along with its Big Ten title and Sugar Bowl win

*   Forced out a highly esteemed, highly successful head coach

*   Self-imposed a 2 year probation period

*   5 players who will serve suspensions during the first 5 games this upcomming season

*   Lost a 3 year starter at QB to the NFL supplemental draft

*   Been pilloried in the media for 8 months

*   Lost out on a number of prized recruits who either committed elsewhere or withdrew their commitments to OSU, or both.

All this and somehow skreffty thinks that OSU has gotten off scot free with no pain.  Think again, bubba. 




Since: Oct 15, 2006
Posted on: July 25, 2011 4:42 pm
 

Ohio State won't be hit with failure to monitor

Hey skreffty,

Since you're bragging about your debating skills, how about responding to my calling you out on your total misrepresentation of the Alabama violations.  Let's start there and see what you have in rebuttal skills.



Since: Mar 20, 2007
Posted on: July 25, 2011 3:44 pm
 

Ohio State won't be hit with failure to monitor

So we are all to believe that this was truly an isolated incident. Just a rogue football coach cheating for the first time in his life. An incident that happened with no compliance from anyone in the system, and with no knowledge or notification from anyone outside of the University. I encourage anyone to read as much of this as possible. I do not want to be a person that believes in a conspiracy theory that says the Buckeyes have an ally inside the NCAA offices, because that would be an indictment of not only OSU, but of the NCAA and all of college football. But if you truly read up on all of this, to include Tressel's past transgressions at Youngstown State, and the timelines of the things that were said and done, and you do it without a pair of scarlett and gray spectacles, then you may find yourself in the same position I feel myself in right now. What else is there for me to believe?? If I were USC or Tennessee, or anyone else that had received the dreaded "failure to monitor", I would be screaming foul from the highest mountain. If you see this situation as anything BUT a failure to monitor, then the only plausible reason besides total insanity on your part is that you are a hard core Buckeye fan, although based on what I have been reading, they might be considered the same thing.
Well said.  Full of great examples, facts, and sanity.  Prepare to be assaulted by a mob of i dotters...



Since: Mar 20, 2007
Posted on: July 25, 2011 3:37 pm
 

Ohio State won't be hit with failure to monitor

urder and "cheating" (the selling of  athletic memorabila) are equivalent  in WHAT way you moron.  The racial example was only given as an historical fact NOT conjecture or heresay as you  seem to rely on as a basis for your arguments . And LSU was NOT the first school as you claim idiot--Kentucky and Mississippi  were the first in the SEC to break the color barrier. So where are the FACTS for your argument now?? EVERY thing you claim is non sequitur with no credible basis of FACT. Next youll claim the South really won the War , right?  AND please inform us what "murder at Ohio Colleges " has any relevance ( but it  DOES appear  you ARE infatuated with murder) so using YOUR line of thinking--perhaps you wore WHITE robes and participated in many of them --aka  lynchings back in day in YOUR state and maybe your neighborhood . Now arent you proud??  You better rattle the skeletons in YOUR own  closet before trying to find ones that dont exist elsewhere.  And  btw you really wouldnt want to DEBATE me --I did very well on my high school and college debate teams .  Oh and please let us know what the   'ignored facts' would be--because you havent provided ONE  that holds water  except your own 'jaded'  opinion.  And in case you werent aware --opinion cant  be used as EVIDENCE and wont win any debates or NCAA  court cases.  So try to enjoy your life --however miserable it seems to be.  And please dont take it  out on your kids Ok??  Cuz, we really wouldnt want to see you end up on Murderers Row --oops ...theres you favorite word again.
Really?  Do I have to explain the relavance to you yet again?  I think twice pointing out how the privilleged get special treatment despite of mountains of evidence to the contrary is enough really, keep up.  Are you really Katzenmoyer? 

Funny how you go the debate route as I won second in NFL nationals in 1991 and won CFL the following year.  I never would have brought that up on my own, but you did (who wants to hear about debate ona sports thread dork).  Funny as well how you mention non sequitur, which would accurately describe all of your "arguments" lol.

No, the South didn't win the war moron, but as my father's family came over from Prussia in 1912 and my mother's family is from New Jersey, I had no part in that.  Yet another swing and a miss...And LSU did have the first black athlete, just not the first black football player.  You must enjoy being wrong.

A the end of the day, regardless of your off-subject rants, Ohio State cheated, lied about, and won't suffer.  period.  Dems the facts Jack. What a whackadoo.



Since: Mar 18, 2009
Posted on: July 25, 2011 2:43 pm
 

Ohio State won't be hit with failure to monitor

Regardless of being aware of how things work in "the real world," at some point, something in our lives should stand as an example of how things should be, not just another in a tired line of how things really are.  The NCAA and the member "institutions of higher learning" that allow the NCAA to exist are missing the mark widely. 

There is no other valid reasons than money and momentum to excuse not doing things the right way.  And you really don't need a boat full of attorneys to make this happen.  Define the rules, apply them equally to all member institutions and punish the rule breakers harshly and evenly. 

That is NOT a job for NASA.  Any lemonade stand kid could put it together and have it make sense to all participants.  Rule ONE should be that ALL student/athletes attend classes and show measurable progress in every class they take and make passing grades in every class they take.  Every class they take should meet a specific standard of worth in "the real world."

NFL should take only kids who have proven their worth, not only on the field, but in the classroom.  No graduation, not NFL draft eligible.
Really sick of the sham.  Sick of rewarding ignorance.


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