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Report: Rutgers in contact with ACC and Big Ten

Posted on: September 18, 2011 6:03 pm
Edited on: September 18, 2011 6:03 pm
 
Posted by Tom Fornelli

With the monumental shift of the college football landscape this weekend thanks to Pitt and Syracuse bolting the Big East for the ACC, it leaves a lot of Big East schools scrambling to find a new home while the conference seemingly collapses around them. One of those schools happens to be Rutgers, who had been reported to be one of two other Big East teams, UConn being the other, that may also join Pitt and Syracuse in a new 16-school ACC.

Which could still happen, as a report in The Star-Ledger says that Rutgers is talking to the ACC. Of course, it also says that the ACC isn't the only conference that Rutgers has been talking to, and that the Big Ten is in play as well.
Rutgers has been involved in talks with the ACC about possible membership over the past two days and its lines of communications with the Big Ten have remained opened and "are active," according to a highly-placed college official.

"Rutgers has been in contact with both conferences," the person said.
The news that Rutgers is talking to the Big Ten shouldn't come as a huge surprise. Rutgers was mentioned as a possible target for Big Ten expansion last year before things cooled down and the Big Ten stood pat after adding Nebraska. When the Big Ten was still considering expansion it was looking east, but two of the conference's supposed targets were Pitt and Syracuse.

Two options no longer on the table.

While the Big Ten might be content to stay at 12 teams, it is somewhat hard to believe that Jim Delany would sit still while the SEC, Pac-12 and ACC all tried to expand to 16 schools apiece. The question is, where would the Big Ten go now? Rutgers seems to fit what the Big Ten is looking for both academically and market wise, as the conference believes adding the New York/New Jersey market for the Big Ten Network could increase revenue.

How much, exactly, I can't be sure. Yes, Rutgers is in a wonderful media market, but I'm not sure how much interest that market truly has in Rutgers. Either way, thanks to that market, Rutgers seems to find itself in a nice position at the moment.
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Since: Dec 2, 2011
Posted on: December 19, 2011 5:53 am
 

Report: Rutgers in contact with ACC and Big Ten

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Since: Nov 21, 2008
Posted on: September 25, 2011 12:40 pm
 

Report: Rutgers in contact with ACC and Big Ten

Rutgers, get real at best a last place B1G team. They suck in the Big East. They would go 3 and 9 every year in football and that if the first two games the dont get upset. Northwestern is like hell yeah bring them in.  The market will only help if the people in the market watch the game. Blackout every game. knowone follows a looser. the 5 million TV set are on good games. 8-0  B1G team vs 1-7 Rutgers = people in that market watching  7-1 WVU vs 6-2 Lville from Big East. The only way the big market teams add value to little market is if the big market people watch. Do they have marketing classes in the Midwest?????????



Since: Nov 21, 2006
Posted on: September 22, 2011 2:41 pm
 

Report: Rutgers in contact with ACC and Big Ten

Great Idea Kyle... Not sure how realistic, but def feasible... i know most collegiate football fans are opposed to these Mega Conferences.. But i think have fewer BUT Stronger Major Conferences, Year in and Year out I think the National Championship/Bowl  Picture would become clearer.. Would also create some new Rivalries which everyone loves..




Since: Mar 19, 2008
Posted on: September 22, 2011 12:21 pm
 

Report: Rutgers in contact with ACC and Big Ten

so true topdogg about the Big East and A10, I suggested something on ESPN boards on tuesday outlining the same thing, heck, I even sent an email to my schools chancellor (Charlotte) and suggested he contact the A10 commish and push for that. The Big East will fall apart football-wise but it can be salvaged Basketball wise with an A10 merger.



Since: Jun 22, 2008
Posted on: September 22, 2011 9:58 am
 

Report: Rutgers in contact with ACC and Big Ten

The B1G can afford to sit on 12 teams for now, waiting out ND until they decide to join. At that point they add whoever they want, from any conference they want, or maybe not, they could stay at 13. 



Since: Aug 24, 2006
Posted on: September 21, 2011 4:24 pm
 

Report: Rutgers in contact with ACC and Big Ten

NitroBuck:  Good post, I also don't see The Big Ten adding Rutgers.  Without other NY/NJ schools, they don't add much of the market.  I've been saying for over a year on this site, that the Big Ten will end up adding 4 of these schools whom each meet academic requirements and add a tv market......Maryland, Pitt, Missouri, Notre Dame, Kansas.  I favored Pitt over Maryland because Pitt was looking to join a new conference and Maryland is content in the ACC, so I thought it'd be easier.  Pitt wouldn't have added much of a tv market but in 1990 when Penn St joined the conference, they were promised either an in-state rival (Pitt) or a nearby rival.  That has not happened yet and will not happen now with Pitt joining the ACC along with Syracuse.  Great move by the ACC and if I were them, I'd add UConn and Rutgers as well.  The Big East should merge with the A-10 and form a basketball conference while the football schools head to the ACC and other conferences.

The Big Ten is the big daddy amongst the conferences and will sit back during the scurrying amongst the other conferences.  Once the dust settles and the superconferences start to take shape, look for The Big Ten to add Missouri, Kansas, Maryland, and eventually Notre Dame.  Missouri and Kansas add the STL and KC tv markets, Maryland brings the DC/Baltimore market, and belileve it or not, Notre Dame will add more of the NY/NJ market than any other east coast school, according to reports.



Since: Nov 9, 2008
Posted on: September 20, 2011 6:29 pm
 

Report: Rutgers in contact with ACC and Big Ten

This is how I would do it. Four 4 team pods: East, West, North, South:

WEST
Iowa
Minnesota
Nebraska
Wisconsin

SOUTH
Illinois
Indiana
Missouri
Purdue

NORTH
Michigan
Michigan State
Northwestern
Notre Dame

EAST
Maryland
Ohio State
Penn State
Rutgers

Each year, pair off the pods into two eight team divisions. Each team plays the other seven in their division plus one annual rival from each of other two pods, for a total of 9 games. Inter-pod rivalries could be:

EAST VS. NORTH
Maryland vs. Northwestern
Ohio State vs. Michigan
Penn State vs. Michigan State
Rutgers vs. Notre Dame

EAST VS. SOUTH
Maryland vs. Purdue
Ohio State vs. Illinois
Penn State vs. Indiana
Rutgers vs. Missouri

EAST VS. WEST
Maryland vs. Iowa
Ohio State vs. Wisconsin
Penn State vs. Nebraska
Rutgers vs. Minnesota

NORTH VS. SOUTH
Michigan vs. Missouri
Michigan State vs. Indiana
Northwestern vs. Illinois
Notre Dame vs. Purdue

NORTH VS. WEST
Michigan vs. Minnesota
Michigan State vs. Iowa
Northwestern vs. Wisconsin
Notre Dame vs. Nebraska

SOUTH VS. WEST
Illinois vs. Wisconsin
Indiana vs. Minnesota
Missouri vs. Nebraska
Purdue vs. Iowa

This alignment would cause some variance in schedule strength, especially since the South is a bit weaker than the other pods. But, while there are other ways to align the pods and pair the rivalries that would make things more even, this version keeps most of the major rivalries intact and also would create several new, interesting rivalries. For instance, look at Notre Dame. They would keep their rivalries with Michigan, Michigan State, and Purdue. They would add a new match-up with fellow heavyweight Nebraska every year. They would add a game against Rutgers, meaning one game for ND in the New York market every other year. And they would renew their rivalry with Northwestern.






Since: Jan 17, 2008
Posted on: September 20, 2011 5:28 pm
 

Report: Rutgers in contact with ACC and Big Ten

Invite Notre Dame one last time and will reach out to Maryland.  There was previous speculation here aorund Maryland, so it isn't out of the question, at least to discuss.  IF the BIG TEN were to get both - Rutgers is out.  IF they get ND only - Rutgers could be in.  IF Maryland says yes, the Big TEN would then weigh a Maryland/Rutgers combo against a Kansas/Missouri combo.  Losing Syracuse as an option, could work against Rutgers for BIG TEN admittance.



Good post Chimera.  I agree for the most part.  In my mind, I ruled out Maryland because the ACC schools agreed last week to a $20 million buyout to ward off poaching by the B1G and SEC.  In retrospect, the $20 Mil is probably not a deal killer.  These are long-haul decisions.  Considering how the substantial buyout Nebraska faced was addressed by the Big Ten, this would simply take a little longer to pay off.  I still believe Kansas and K-St are a package deal, just as Oklahoma and Ok St are.

Interesting take on the Big Ten holding at 12 until/unless the Pac expands to 16.  Dead on.  My feeling is the SEC will stop at 14, and try that out for a year or two before deciding to move to 16. 




Since: Aug 9, 2010
Posted on: September 20, 2011 1:30 pm
 

Report: Rutgers in contact with ACC and Big Ten

I agree with your thoughts on Boise State.  I would submit that IF, Big IF, the Big 12 stays intact, they will want to grow to at least twelve and will be determined to solidify it's positon as an AQ conference.  BYU is first choice to replace A&M, but after that the candidates are: Houston, SMU, TCU, Colorado State, and Boise State. Houston is probably the next choice in order to get back into the Houston market. Then it depends largely if the Big 12 feels that they cover the DFW market well enough.

Neither TCU (Ft Worth) or SMU (Dallas) get support of the whole area.  Prior to the last, say ten years, TCU was kind of a joke, and does the Big 12 really feel that TCU is here to stay?  A Boise State/Colorado State cold be a package to solidify the region and make a connection with BYU.

This situation is probably BSU's best option.    



Since: Aug 9, 2010
Posted on: September 20, 2011 1:21 pm
 

Report: Rutgers in contact with ACC and Big Ten

Rutgers needs to be careful.  UConn is most assuredly going to be the 15th ACC team.  If Rutgers waits for Delaney and the Big TEN to make up their minds, the ACC may reach out to some one else.  Who?  I'll get to that.

The BIG TEN isn't going to expand because of the SEC or the ACC, but, IF the Pac 12 expands, they will make a move.  Here's how their wishlist would go:

Invite Notre Dame one last time and will reach out to Maryland.  There was previous speculation here aorund Maryland, so it isn't out of the question, at least to discuss.  IF the BIG TEN were to get both - Rutgers is out.  IF they get ND only - Rutgers could be in.  IF Maryland says yes, the Big TEN would then weigh a Maryland/Rutgers combo against a Kansas/Missouri combo.  Losing Syracuse as an option, could work against Rutgers for BIG TEN admittance.

The BIG TEN could accept all four, or two or none.  Again if the PAC 12 expands, the BIG TEN will move, but while they (BIG TEN) are talking, negotiating, and evaluating, and if Rutgers waits, the ACC might move forward, with; hard to say.  West Virginia just doesn't have the academic standing and credentials that the ACC and the BIG TEN demand.  Neither conference has a Tier 3 or 4 school.  WVU is a Tier 3.  

IF the ACC were to lose Maryland or lose one or three teams to the SEC, they may look at teams like Temple/Nova, or a Central/South Flordia if they lose Florida State.  (Another article and issue I won't get into here).  The ACC might even be relegated to accept WVU if the SEC doesn't take them.  

No doubt that the ACC would want a UConn/Rutgers package, but it's important that they don't mess with the BIG TEN and Delaney too long. 


Final Note:
A 16 team ACC doesn't move the SEC, the BIG TEN, or the PAC 12 to grow.  IF the BIG 12 stays intact and grows to twelve, you will see the PAC 12 and the Big TEN stay at twelve, the SEC to fourteen, and the ACC to sixteen.  For me, this somewhat saves college football (not a fan of the Super-Conference).  The Big East hasn't deserved an automatic bid for since they lost VA Tech/Miami/BC.  The ACC/Big East combo is actually good.  Losing the Big 12 not so much. 


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