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Kansas AD wants Mizzou to stay

Posted on: October 5, 2011 11:19 am
Edited on: October 5, 2011 11:47 am
 
Posted by Tom Fornelli

On Tuesday Missouri told the Big 12 "I love you, but I think we should see other people." Which is generally code for "I've fallen for somebody else." Now, while Missouri hasn't officially left the Big 12 just yet, I don't think there are many people who think that the school is going to stick around once it is done looking at its options.

Now, unlike Texas or Oklahoma, losing Missouri wouldn't be a deathblow for the Big 12. Although that doesn't mean there isn't at least one school that would be a bit heartbroken to see the Tigers go, and that school would be Kansas. Kansas athletic director Sheahon Zenger released a statement on Tuesday night about Missouri's decision.

"We value our long-standing conference rivalry with Missouri," Zenger said in the release. "We believe the Midwest deserves a strong conference for student-athletes, fans and alumni, and it is our desire that Missouri will stay committed — as Kansas is — to the Big 12 Conference.”

I've got some bad news, Kansas. They won't.

This is the one aspect of conference realignment that really hurts. As with the possibility of Texas and Texas A&M not playing anymore once the Aggies leave, odds are the rivalry between Kansas and Missouri may die as well, as Kansas basketball coach Bill Self has already alluded to, and while that's not a rivalry that receives a lot of national attention, it's a big deal between the two states.

As someone with friends who have graduated from both schools, I can assure you that they really love to hate each other, and the idea of losing that rivalry doesn't sit well with me.
Comments

Since: Jan 3, 2007
Posted on: October 6, 2011 2:59 pm
 

Kansas AD wants Mizzou to stay

Well looks like TCU is a matter of negotiating the nickels and dimes and they're drooling to join a big time conference with 3 other Texas teams as members. Bring on BYU and Louisville and Mizzoo will mostl likely want to stay in a stout 12 team conference that should agree to a long term agreement among the schools. As far as i'm concerned TCU, BYU, and Louisville is an upgrade over Neb.,Colorado, and A&M in both FB and BB. definitely basketball. Of course this is all just theories going around KC media outlets right now, but sounds like TCU is drooling over the invite to negotiate.



Since: Dec 5, 2006
Posted on: October 6, 2011 2:33 pm
 

Conferences and Schools

The perspective on conference alignment that makes sense is for each school in a particular conference to share like qualities, goals and athletic achievement with its fellow members. That does not play out in real life, although different schools may excel in different sports within a conference. But for a conference to be successful a sharing of revenue (Tier I and Tier II) is essential. This is because even if one or two teams have more national attention in the predominate sport (football) the other schools in the conference make that attention possible and respected.

This week the Big XII Presidents and Chancellors voted to implement equal Tier I and Tier II revenue sharing. This was overdue and the reason cited for Nebraska and Texas A&M to leave the conference. The Tier III rights remain with each school allowing Texas and Oklahoma to receive larger football revenues while Kansas receives larger basketball revenues. some conferences permit this and others share Tier II revenue as well.

While Missouri has been reported to be the catalyst behind the 2010 breakout of Nebraska and Colorado from the Big XII (wanting to go to the Big Ten) they stayed. Now reports are that Missouri wants to go to the SEC. Also a report that they do not have the SEC votes (as they did not have the Big Ten votes) to achieve that. We are told that the Kansas City and St Louis media markets will be enough to entice the SEC to eventually agree to add Missouri. That is hard to determine as fact and the various emotional comments below demonstrate the passion that fans have on the subject.

But the blog post here by Tom is misleading. From every reading the KU pronouncements by Sheahon Zenger and Bill Self are lukewarm at best. Last year coach Self was quoted as saying anywhere that KU goes he would want K-State as well and that he did not care what MU does. This year he makes it plain that MU will not be playing KU in basketball unless it is in the tournament should MU leave. From recent court results that may actually be a sigh of relief to MU fans in basketball. In football the reverse is true. No matter what MU does they are not going to be well embraced in the Big XII for many years to come.



Since: Oct 16, 2007
Posted on: October 6, 2011 11:17 am
 

Kansas AD wants Mizzou to stay

You are absolutely correct!  I am tired of looking like a doormat to whatever happens everywhere else.  If we don't have other options FINE, but not seeming to look at any option except the Big East if the Big XII falls apart is ridiculous. I get that this about football programs but that doesn't mean an AAU member school that puts 60 million a year into sports and carries one of the most prestigious brands in basketball doesn't matter.



Since: Jul 15, 2011
Posted on: October 6, 2011 9:42 am
 

Kansas AD wants Mizzou to stay

Let's get the facts straight:  Mizzou and Kansas were in a great conference:  The Big Eight.  Then, Mizzou, KU, and their six pals got GREEDY, invited the Texas/Oklahoma schools into the tent, and are now paying the price for that decision.  Mizzou/KU:  You wanted Texas and Oklahoma, and now you have them ~ stop crying.  Maybe you're both to blame for your current situation, and you just can't admit it!



Since: Nov 25, 2006
Posted on: October 6, 2011 9:14 am
 

Kansas AD wants Mizzou to stay

All of this realignment is a matter of greed and greed only. I hear everybody ripping Texas for causing all of this, but as pointed out already, Texas is willing to share it's revenue now to keep the Big 12 together and stable. The Big 12 looks to be moving towards being as stable as it has been in years, but Missouri uses instability as a reason for wanting to leave. The only instability now is you wanting to leave. Money will be the only thing they will have more of if they move to the SEC, because they won't have more wins. I found it very funny this past weekend when Nebraska, who thought they could be the top dog in the Big Ten, got whipped by Wisconsin. I loved it. Texas A&M who is moving to the SEC, lost to Arkansas at a neutral site. Arkansas is a middle of the pack team in the SEC. A&M stands no chance against the top dogs in that conference. History and traditions mean nothing anymore, it's all about the mighty dollar.



Since: Jul 27, 2011
Posted on: October 6, 2011 3:17 am
 

Kansas AD wants Mizzou to stay

Funny how you look to call "on the facts" but then just spit out monkey chatter.  It has nothing to do with Texas or the Longhorn Network, rather, it is schools looking to cash in on the current realignment craze and trying to find something better than "we broke traditions and are going to a conference with which we have absolutely no ties for money. Oh, and the SEC isn't even our first choice (or theirs) its just that the Big 10 wants nothing to do with us."  Yeah, that would look great on a bumper sticker. Always better to point out someone else's greed than to have to look at your own.

I don't have a problem with Mizzou looking out for itself, just disillusioned fans who seem to put it on a higher level than UT.  UT is greedy?  What is Mizzou doing, giving it's money to charity?  Please.  Mizzou leaves for money, hey, good for them, but don't have the ignorant gall to turn around and call others greedy.

My favorite is the instability reason for leaving.  Because its kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy.  A&M tried to use it too.  You do know that if you don't leave, there is no instability.  If you do leave, there is.

Yes, the Longhorns don't want to share their third tier money with other schools, just like....wait for it....the SEC!  The conference you are lifting your skirt for does not share 3rd tier rights, and so you won't be getting any of Florida or Alabama's 3rd tier money either.

You may want to read a little bit, as you will find out that until the LHN, Mizzou made more money off their 3rd tier rights than UT did.  Up until this year, your uninformed suggestion of sharing Tier 3 would mean that MIZZOU would have been the one to lose money.  That is why there was no prior revenue sharing, as it was the one area that KS and other schools were making more money than UT.  With UT making more in Tiers 1 & 2, of course Mizzou was right in refusing to share Tier 3.  It is also just that now that UT has developed their Tier 3 rights, they shouldn't have to share with Mizzou b/c now they are making money.  Remember Weiberg wanted a Big 12 Network to share Tier 3 rights, which was supported by Texas.  Guess what, it was voted down by the league, including your own precious Mizzou.
Mizzou had every right to vote against it, b/c Tier 3 was a cash cow for them and levelled the field against UT, OU, etc.

If Mizzou goes, fine, but let's be honest "on the facts" and state that it is for money, pure and simple.  The "greedy" UT is staying, and giving up money to do so.  Now who exactly is the wh*re in this scenario.  Mizzou will not be stronger in the SEC, as it will hurt their recruiting in Texas and they will lose often.  The SEC west is not like the weak Big 12 North, where at least you can stumble your way into the Big 12 Championship game just based on circumstance alone.  The novelty of new locations will wear off when you are constantly getting donkey stomped, although I am sure the rest of the SEC will be glad to have you.  At least now it gives them somebody besides Vandy to schedule for their homecoming games.  Vandy can only play so many of them.

Face it, your only value is that they need one more warm body to make their conference an even number and the only reason you are going there is because the Big 10 wants nothing to do with you. With 0 conference championships in either basketball, baseball or football, The Border War Rivalry is the only thing that make you even relevant and you are walking away from it.




Since: Apr 25, 2010
Posted on: October 6, 2011 1:04 am
 

Kansas AD wants Mizzou to stay

If only the Big East or ACC or B10 or PacWhatever or anybody out there would take the Shorthorns.



Since: Nov 4, 2007
Posted on: October 6, 2011 12:39 am
 

Kansas AD wants Mizzou to stay

Hopefully Kansas and some other former Big 8 schools will get together and join with Missouri to help get some much needed changes pushed through the Big 12.   Its a two way street here.    We've had several chances in the past couple years and keep passing on them and keep taking these hits.    Just three weeks ago, OU and OSU brought us to the brink which really got this whole MU to the SEC all fired up.   ts not all on Mizzou.



Since: Jan 21, 2010
Posted on: October 5, 2011 11:38 pm
 

Kansas AD wants Mizzou to stay

Oh, and Dr. Zenger, instead of pleading with Misuse to stay in a dying conference, why don't you get on the phone with Mike Slive and sell him on how great it would be to have basketball games between Kansas and Kentucky on a regular basis. Or get on the phone with Larry Scott and sell to him the dollars that could be made from annual clashes with UCLA. Or talk to Jim Delaney, tell him how great it would be for Kansas to battle Michigan State and Indiana (once IU recovers from the mushroom cloud that was the Kelvin Sampson scandal). Get to talking to John Swofford. Kansas vs. Duke and North Carolina (and someday Syracuse and Pittsburgh). Stop sitting on your ass and DO SOMETHING! ANYTHING! AND FIRE TURNER GILL, TOO!



Since: Jan 21, 2010
Posted on: October 5, 2011 11:31 pm
 

Kansas AD wants Mizzou to stay

The Border War receives a lot more national attention, Mr. Fornelli. The two basketball games are on national TV every year, split between ESPN's Big Monday and CBS' Road To The Final Four almost every year.


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