Here's the beauty about commenting on an article entitled "No major violations in Auburn's signing of Newton": I don't have to do much supposition at all. Auburn's vindicated. That's as logical as it gets.

mrbcs, you or no one knows the extent of what Cecil Newton did. There are references to phone calls about 'the money was too much'. Funny, that. No one seems to know any of the rest of that conversation. Just that one snippet which 'the other side' can't even admit could mean something other than 'Auburn had to give Cam Newton money'. Logic tells me it could mean that. Or it could mean that 'the whole BS situation with Miss State and money was too much'. Nah. It has to mean the first one. Because that's logic. Well, your logic, anyway.

So it doesn't surprise me that you've jumped to the conclusion of thinking I'm not applying logic. I have applied logic. I could talk to my father every day and not tell him everything I did that day. So could you. Easily.

And there were plenty of times in my life where my father or mother told me to do and I did. I didn't get to ask why. It wasn't my business. You don't think if Mr Newton did something so dumb as to shop his son behind he back he would want to tell his son about it? I don't.

Heck, even the 'shopping around' business is hilarious at this point. Shopping around would imply more than one time. So, you have Miss State....and who else? Oklahoma said no. Tennessee said no. For God's sake, that school had Kiffin at the time and you know the NCAA would have found out what that moron was doing. Auburn said no. No other team stepped forward. I ask again, sir. Shopped around to who? Am I still not applying logic?

Last, I don't have to believe Cam Newton had an epiphany from his 'cheating, stealing, and lying days'. I just have to look at his criminal record after he left that place where over 30 other athletes in football alone got arrested for an assortment of crimes and see that Newton went to BFE Texas and didn't do wrong there, and then went to Auburn without one incident whatsoever. This continues into his pro career in Carolina. Who's not being logical now, sir? I'm seeing Cam Newton for what he is. You choose to dwell on what he did during one year of his life and instead of placing any fault in the institution you place it all in the man. Congratulations.

It's always great to be an Auburn Tiger. And it's great to see that Cam Newton was a good kid gone wrong who found his way once again. It's also great to see that the NCAA agrees that Auburn's recruitment of him was on the up and up.

Because again, logically? You and everyone else should be asking Mississippi State the questions. Not Auburn.

We have some people who think a college kid should know everything that his dad does. Creepy. Never mind that the dad lives hundreds of miles away.

Come on, Ray.  I don't care if they live 3,000 miles away from each other.  They talk on the phone a lot according to Cam himself.  Nobody is saying that his dad has to tell him everything, but apply a little logic to this.  No one can shop his son around without his son being complicit in it.  I'd love to see the conversation if he wasn't.  "Son, you're going to Auburn."  "No, dad, I think I'd rather go to Mississippi State."  "No.  You have to go to Auburn."  "Why?"
Maybe you're arguing that the elder Mr. Newton was some crazy man shopping his son around without his knowledge and somehow expected to get lucky when his son somehow went to the paying school, but that's crazy in itself.  Nobody would pay until Cam signed and that would take his participation.  I love how in the Auburn minds young Cam had an epiphany from his cheating, stealing and lying days at Florida when he went to Auburn.

And a case well rested, 7788. Seriously man. We have some people comparing a football case to murderers, which is a great way of keeping things in context. Should throw Hitler in there too...

We have some people who think a college kid should know everything that his dad does. Creepy. Never mind that the dad lives hundreds of miles away. Even if I talked to my dad every day there are things I wouldn't tell him I did. But I'm certain y'all told your dad everything you did in college. And I'm certain he told you everything he did at home. Right. Whatever.

We have some people who think the NCAA would favor Auburn over USC. Because USC isn't a school with more titles or more history. Auburn's up there. But USC is higher. Clearly. But the NCAA would favor Auburn. Got it. Makes plenty of sense.

Some think the Real Sports guys were the clincher. They who told one story to Real Sports but were all of a sudden really quiet when the NCAA came around. But hey, why didn't Real Sports volunteer any damning facts they had to NCAA? Well that's an easy one, Gomer...there wasn't anything they had.

Just flat out admit you thought Auburn was going to get nailed and they didn't and you're butthurt about it. Go by some salve. Apply and get over it, you bunch of babies.

There a big difference between found "not guilty" and found "innocent", and I'm not impressed by the NCAA "jury".  I think the "jury" was rigged at the time of the National Championship, when they cleared Scam to play. 

The NCAA Infractions Committee is different than the NCAA Reinstatement Committee.  Reinstating Cam was standard protocol and what they have to do during an ongoing investigation.  The Reinstatement Committee has nothing to do with rules violations.  They had to reinstate Cam immediately because at the time there was nothing for them to rule with.  That's why he was reinstated within 24 hours of being ruled ineligible by Auburn.

Then, 13 months later, they admit there is still nothing there regarding Auburn.  Case closed.  End of story.  Everything went EXACTLY how it has always been done.  The only reason it was ever confusing was because two schools were involved and he was in violation for something that happened at Miss State.  Why Auburn was ever blamed for something that happened at another school is purely speculative and wishful thinking.  You call it common sense and gut feeling.  I call it show me the evidence and try to convince me you wouldn't defend the same for your school.   

I'm sorry. I'm not buying it, any more than I buy the fact that O.J. didn't commit a couple of murders.

So, who cares?  Auburn keeps it.  Deal with it. 

But I hear there's a church that has no trouble with its funding, headed by the Reverend Newton in the Southeast....

I rest my case. 

Mr. BCS

Who is angry?  You would be hard pressed to find angry Auburn fans at the moment.  If anything we are releaved.  Going back over the months on this site you would be hard pressed to find angry Auburn fans either.  Maybe some lost their cool because of people like the idiot before me who still thinks Cecil's church was renovated with Auburn money and doesn't do any research before he talks.  Now, if you want to find logical thinkers you would find plenty of those. 

Not trying to toot our own horns here but Auburn fans pretty much said what the NCAA said in their final statement for 13 months.  You just don't like the outcome and want to continue to believe nonsense because your gut tells you he is guilty.  All Auburn fans have ever said is consider the sources. 

It's so comical all the people bringing up Casey Anthony and OJ as an analogy.  It's like all you people listen to talk radio and just spew other people's ideas.  Do any of you have any of your own thoughts to add?  Comparing murderers who had tons of evidence against them vs Cam Newton's case is just laughable and actually pathetic.

But hate on if you must. 

 

The psychology of this topic is fascinating.  The majority of people who are not Auburn fans clearly believe that cheating happened.  The Auburn people are so angry that it makes me think they know it deep down too.  They just waited so long for a championship season that they don't want anything to spoil it now.  

The statements from the NCAA attest more to their incompetence than anything else.  Essentially they are saying that they talked to a lot of people and nobody would admit anything.  If the payoff was done with any intelligence at all, only a handful of people would know about it and there would be no paper trail.  I find it especially amusing that the NCAA couldn't get anything on the four Auburn players who admitted on TV that they received payments.  The NCAA's investigation went like this.  We'll see if any of the four will talk to us.  Three wouldn't.  Case closed on them.  We talked to the fourth and his friends and family.  Why we talked to his friends and family as if they would know anything, we can't tell you, but it makes our investigation look more thorough even if it's pointless.  The player wouldn't tell on himself either.  Case closed on him.  Now keep in mind that all four players are on a televised special essentially confessing, but the NCAA declared that they couldn't find anything on them.  Was Andy out of town and Barney and Goober had to do the investigation by themselves?

The lesson here is that the NCAA is easy to fool.  If you get caught cheating you're guilty of two things.  One is cheating.  The other is being stupid enough to leave a paper trail or other evidence of your cheating.  Obviously, confessing on national Tv doesn't meet the burden of proof, so you're okay on that.

AUT,

There a big difference between found "not guilty" and found "innocent", and I'm not impressed by the NCAA "jury".  I think the "jury" was rigged at the time of the National Championship, when they cleared Scam to play. 

I'm sorry. I'm not buying it, any more than I buy the fact that O.J. didn't commit a couple of murders.

But I hear there's a church that has no trouble with its funding, headed by the Reverend Newton in the Southeast....

"There has to be a rule in place.  It makes sense.  Auburn found the loophole and exploited it.." 

 "Congratulations, I guess that makes it right then."

 That's the same kind of whining that was heard from the team that got beat by the first forward pass.

", namesake of the , wrote 30 years later that, indeed, the Tar Heels had given birth to the forward pass against the Bulldogs (UGA). It was conceived to break a scoreless deadlock and give UNC a 6–0 win. The Carolinians were in a punting situation and a Georgia rush seemed destined to block the ball. The punter, with an impromptu dash to his right, tossed the ball and it was caught by George Stephens, who ran 70 yards for a touchdown."

So did they find a way to win, or did they cheat or exploit a loophole in the rules and find a way to win? Was Paul Newman a hero in The Great Escape or a cheater who exploited loopholes in the German's prison camps fences? Get a grip. Over is over. Let's all move on.

Congratulations, I guess that makes it right then.  No, wrong is wrong and Auburn was wrong and the NCAA is a disgrace as they refused to punish them for being wrong to protect the money made by the SEC winning.  It's wrong and that's all there is to it--I won't recognize the Auburn title regardless.


Who cares about your personal opinion.  I am simply stating what happened.  The NCAA made their ruling and that is that.  The money argument is so dumb.  What does it matter which school was in the BCS title game.  Are you trying to suggest that TCU or Wisconsisn couldn't have brought in just as many fans and money.  I have read your garbage in the past and you were one of the ones always saying....oh...Auburn will eventually get theres.  And now that we don't you put the system on trial.  Great logic child.  You can't on one hand indict Auburn because you think the evidence is so daming and site shady journalism as your source, then once it is ruled there is no evidence and that it was just shady journalism then question the ruling. 

No one cares, especially Auburn fans, what rival fans think of us and whether or not they think we should keep it.  Go on and think what you want.  Just remember, you don't know what you are talking about.  And you held someone accountable with no evidence.  Your opinions were formed by the media and shady journalism and that makes you either extremely dumb or holding an axe to grind.

Wonder how all those idiots who held out there Heisman votes feel now.  As you can see, most people are smart which is why he still won.  Must suck you are looped in with the nutcases.   

There has to be a rule in place.  It makes sense.  Auburn found the loophole and exploited it. 

Congratulations, I guess that makes it right then.  No, wrong is wrong and Auburn was wrong and the NCAA is a disgrace as they refused to punish them for being wrong to protect the money made by the SEC winning.  It's wrong and that's all there is to it--I won't recognize the Auburn title regardless.