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Neinas says Big 12 comfortable at 10

Posted on: January 30, 2012 12:06 pm
Edited on: January 30, 2012 12:50 pm
 
Posted by Tom Fornelli

If we've learned anything over the last few years when it comes to conference realignment and expansion, it's basically that anything can happen no matter what anybody is saying. So keep that in mind when reading these latest quotes from the Big 12's interim commissioner Chuck Neinas on the Big 12's plans in the future.

The conference's expansion committee got together last week to discuss the possibility of further expansion, and while talking to West Virginia Illustrated over the weekend, Neinas made it sound like the committee decided that 10 is enough for now.

"The Board of Directors at the time West Virginia was admitted to the Big 12 asked the expansion committee to continue to monitor the landscape of college athletics," Neinas said. "We are currently at ten and very comfortable with ten.

"As a ten team conference you play every team in the conference for football. You are not skipping any opponent. There is not that argument that someone played Oklahoma and the other guy had to play a lesser team. In basketball, it is a double round-robin, so if you lose on the road, you get the same team at home. That is very appealing to our conference membership." 

Neinas also talked about how the conference doesn't really desire having its conference championship game return.

"Unlikely that there will be a conference championship game anytime in the near future," said Neinas. "There is, not unanimous, but heavy plurality favoring not having a conference championship or playoff because that brings about divisional play and that is where you get into a debate about strength of division." 

So it seems that, for now, the possibility of the Big 12 expanding back to 12 teams and adding a school like Louisville -- the school most frequently mentioned -- and another has been tabled for now. That being said, as I made clear at the beginning of this post, these things change pretty quickly.

After all, it might just be that since the Big 12 could be finding itself in court with the Big East over West Virginia in the near future, the conference doesn't want to come out and say "oh and we're gonna take Louisville too."

Speaking of West Virginia, Neinas also made it sound as if the Mountaineers will be playing in the Big 12 next fall. The conference has to release its schedule by February 1st, and according to Neinas that schedule has already been distributed to the conference's athletic directors and West Virginia is likely on it.

"Either West Virginia [will be on it] or the Green Bay Packers and I think it is more likely West Virginia," joked the commissioner.

If it does end up being the Packers, though, I know who I'm picking to win the title next season.

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Since: Nov 2, 2006
Posted on: January 31, 2012 3:38 pm
 

Neinas says Big 12 comfortable at 10

The Big East basically told West Virginia "Screw You!" West Virginia won't have any conference road games East of the Mississippi River (the closest rival is Ames, Iowa). If I were West Virginia, I would either demand some nearby conference mates or we're not coming. Good luck with a conference of nine.



Since: Feb 15, 2010
Posted on: January 31, 2012 2:17 pm
 

Neinas says Big 12 comfortable at 10

It's interesting to see how much visibility a conference such as the Big XII would get in a new market.  If you click on the local newspaper's Sports drop down, here's how the local teams are positioned and who they share space with. 

Louisville - 5th after Blogs/Columns, Scores/Stats, Horse Racing and Recruiting.  Kentucky also listed.

Cincinnati - 3rd after NFL Bengals and NL Reds.  Xavier also listed.

Tulane - 5th after NFL Saints, LSU, NBA Hornets and Preps.  UNO also listed.

Memphis - 1st ahead of NBA Grizzlies.  No other college listed.

Southern Miss - 3rd after Local and High School.  No other college listed.

Central Florida - 4th after NBA Magic, Varsity and Univ. of Florida.  FSU also listed.





Since: Jul 9, 2010
Posted on: January 31, 2012 11:15 am
 

Neinas says Big 12 comfortable at 10

Basically speaking the current abundance of college bowl games are heavily favored and sought after by the TV Market.  As we all know, ESPN has virtually the entire market for televising these games.  In my opinion, it would be much better for the FBS to have a minium of 7 wins for a team to participate 
in a year-end bowl.  After all, to receive a bowl bid should be a reward for accomplishing a winning season, as oppossed to a mediocre 6 wins which only indicates an average performance during the regular season.  It used to be that it was an honor for a team to be invited to a bowl game.  Now, college coaches and schools are lauded for how many bowls they have participated in, even if they only win 6 games, which is not saying much for a reward for performance. 



Since: May 20, 2008
Posted on: January 31, 2012 10:51 am
 

Neinas says Big 12 comfortable at 10

No offense intended
I never took offense, I see it now that the way I typed came across like I did.

Granted, the school can move big games to Paul Brown Stadium. But each time they do that, they lose over a million dollars in sponsor revenue due to conflicts of interest. Last I heard, the school wasn't even certain it made money by moving two games in 2011
We didn't lose any money when we moved the games to PBS (even with advertising) because all the ads that are on the field at Nip are also at PBS. We pretty much broke even for the Louisville game, because hardly any Louisville fans came up to watch but we did make somewhere between a quarter to a half a million dollars during the WVU game. If we were to play Texas or OU on a regular basis the ticket prices would go up as well as additional revenue from the ticket sales.

I'm not claiming that Nippert is enough of a problem to definitely keep the Bearcats out of the Big XII. But I do think it's an issue. Recruits look at facilities, as do prospective coaches. Expansion committees do, too. Just saying
We must be doing something right then because we got for the first time in our history a top 40 recruiting class coming in. Plus we did build a brand new multi-million dollar athletic facility next door to the stadium. And contrary to what a lot of people say on this site, Nippert does have enough room to expand to 45 or maybe 50K seats. I think the Big12 expansion committee knows all of this but has to sit on their hands while the WVU lawsuit gets finished, then they'll move to add us and Louisville.

But yes, I'd vote to add UC. But my vote wouldn't count anyway. ;)
Call me crazy but I think that the conferences do look at what the fans say about expansion and take our opions into consideration, so your vote might count Laughing




Since: Jan 31, 2012
Posted on: January 31, 2012 2:17 am
 

Neinas says Big 12 comfortable at 10

Well this is obvious. When 2014 rolls around (or the next conference expands), we'll start adding schools. Until then, it's all speculation. The best plan would be to take Louisville and Cincinnati before they're locked up in the Big East any longer. The loss of those two could possibly kill the BE in football, leaving Notre Dame no choice but to leave, to find a conference that takes their Olympic sports and gives them bowl-ties, in exchange for 6 FB games/year. The Big 12 is that conference. Throwing ND in the North, while adding BYU in Olympic sports in the South would be the perfect mix. If the conference felt like it needed 16 schools, surprisingly, Navy and Air Force are the schools I would choose. AF to the South, Navy to the North So now the Big 12 expands into: Ohio, Kentucky, Indiana, Maryland, Utah, Colorado, Military, Military, Catholic, Mormom markets and recruiting grounds.these are really good, while not expanding the conference too far across the nation. The best part is that all schools other than the Military academies are really good in the top 2 sports, which leads to more revenues. So now we have: NORTH KU, KSU, ISU, UL, UC, WVU, *ND, (Navy) SOUTH Texas, TTU, TCU, BU, OU, OSU, *BYU, (AF)



Since: Sep 5, 2011
Posted on: January 30, 2012 4:28 pm
 

Neinas says Big 12 comfortable at 10

It would be more accurate, and honest, if all commissioners said "At this point in time, xxx".  And we all realized as soon as they moved onto the next sentence, everything can be changed.

Comments about why conferences want to grow so they can have a conference title game is so the conference controls more money.  The conferences created the BCS to line up opponents for their bowl games.  The BCS specifically states they are against anything that would dilute the importance of the regular season.  Nebraska's AD said the reason they went to the Big1G was the bowl games it offerred to its membership.  The Big1G commissioner recently said they were against any play-off if it impacts their current bowl agreements.

In FBS, there are 120 teams, and 35 bowl games.  Mostly meaningless bowl games.  Did anyone notice how many teams were in bowl games this year with records of 6-6.  The purpose of these games?  Give ESPN something to broadcast.  Give multiple locations a football bowl game to attract fans to visit the area and spend money.  It has nothing to do with the games.

But this last year something happened - attendance at the bowls games - even the BCS games was down.  So now fans are being offerred a bone - there is talk of a +1 play-off.  Wow!  Can you image what would happen if fans stayed away from all bowl games and conference title games?  The FCS might be copied - we would have a 16 team play-off for a national title!




Since: Jan 9, 2008
Posted on: January 30, 2012 3:49 pm
 

Neinas says Big 12 comfortable at 10

I think we should rename the Big 12 as the SEC, then we can get two automatic bids to the National Championship game.



Since: Jan 19, 2008
Posted on: January 30, 2012 3:46 pm
 

Neinas says Big 12 comfortable at 10

Why would our facilities be the weakest?
No offense intended. After all, I did agree. I just had to think about it first. And I didn't say the football fans would be the weakest. They are solid, and the Bearcats are typically a tough road game for that reason.

But Nippert Stadium does seem to be a concern. "The Nip" only seats 35,000. It's considered too small, even by Big East standards. It's a low tech stadium with weak luxury facilities. Granted, the school can move big games to Paul Brown Stadium. But each time they do that, they lose over a million dollars in sponsor revenue due to conflicts of interest. Last I heard, the school wasn't even certain it made money by moving two games in 2011.

The smallest stadiums in the Big XII currently are Iowa State's Jack Trice Stadium (42,000), Baylor's Floyd Casey Stadium (50,000 seats), Kansas' Memorial Stadium (50,000), K State's Bill Snyder Family Football Stadium (52,000). All of them have really nice weight and training facilities. Oh, and Texas Memorial Stadium? 100,000+ and state of the art in every way.

I'm not claiming that Nippert is enough of a problem to definitely keep the Bearcats out of the Big XII. But I do think it's an issue. Recruits look at facilities, as do prospective coaches. Expansion committees do, too. Just saying.

But yes, I'd vote to add UC. But my vote wouldn't count anyway. ;)



Since: May 20, 2008
Posted on: January 30, 2012 3:19 pm
 

Neinas says Big 12 comfortable at 10

Cincinnati: Hesitantly agree. Same profile as Louisville, but facilities would be among the weakest in the conference for football.
Why would our facilities be the weakest? For any big name game we can go to Paul Brown Stadium and play. Just ask Oklahoma fans. And besides we're not going to be selling 30 or 40K tickets to fans from Kansas, K-State, Iowa St, Baylor, TT, or Oklahoma St. While we have the capability to play bigger name conference games at PBS we can also play the lesser named teams at Nippert and eventually expand the stadium to include lux boxes.

The only reason why the Big12 hasn't taken us and Louisville yet is because of the WVU lawsuit. They want to see if WVU can get out of the conference early and if they can't they'll kill the conference by taking all three of us. If WVU wins then they'll take us and make us wait the 27 months



Since: Jun 29, 2011
Posted on: January 30, 2012 2:56 pm
 

Neinas says Big 12 comfortable at 10

Speaking of trash,  how's your football program?  Oh, that's right, you just like to talk about Alabama & LSU because somehow that makes your poor excuse for a football program somehow better.


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