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Big Ten head coaches already upset with Meyer

Posted on: February 2, 2012 3:31 pm
Edited on: February 2, 2012 8:36 pm
 
Posted by Tom Fornelli

It appears that the grace period for new coaches in the Big Ten lasts for 65 days or only one National Signing Day. That's how long it took for fellow Big Ten coaches to publicly speak about being upset with new Ohio State head coach Urban Meyer.

Not surprisingly, the complaints from Wisconsin's Bret Bielema and Michigan State's Mark Dantonio are related to Meyer's recruiting tactics. Particularly the part where he just shows up, swoops in and then causes recruits to suddenly change their minds and flock to Columbus.

“There are a few things that happened early on that I made people aware of that I didn’t want to see in this league, that I had seen take place in other leagues,” said Bielema on Wednesday. “Other recruiting tactics, other recruiting practices that are illegal. 

“I was very up front and was very pointed to the fact, actually reached out to Coach Meyer and shared my thoughts and concerns with him. The situation got rectified.”

Michigan State's Mark Dantonio was a bit more to the point.

"(Ohio State has) a new coach, and it's different," Dantonio told the Detroit News. "I would say it's pretty unethical, in the end." 

It seems that Bielema and Dantonio aren't used to the recruiting tactics Meyer has brought along from his days in the SEC, where the gentlemanly rules of the Big Ten do not exist. It seems SEC coaches know that no commitment means anything until a letter of intent is signed, so the race for any recruit they might want doesn't end before February.

Question the morality of it all you want, but you'll notice the SEC has won the last six national championships while the Big Ten has been rather uninspiring.

Meyer's first class at Ohio State was good enough to finish ranked third in the CBS Sports National Signing Day Top 25. In that class of 24, 10 of the commits didn't come on board until after Meyer became head coach at Ohio State. Of those 10 players, eight had previously given commitments to other school.

Including offensive lineman Kyle Dodson (Wisconsin) and defensive end Se'Von Pittman (Michigan State). Hence the reactions of Bielema and Dantonio. Still, of the other six, four had been committed to Penn State and two to Notre Dame. You don't hear Bill O'Brien or Brian Kelly crying foul about it today.

Not that complaining will do anything to deter Meyer. He's a head coach that realizes in order to build a successful program, not only do you need to have a good coaching staff, but you have to have good players. Players that are found through recruiting.

So whine about how he does all you want, he's seen the fruits of his efforts and has a couple rings to show for it. Nothing anybody can say will change that.

Other Big Ten coaches can either get on board, or run the risk of being left behind.

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Since: Feb 22, 2010
Posted on: February 3, 2012 11:09 am
 

Big Ten head coaches already upset with Meyer

“There are a few things that happened early on that I made people aware of that I didn't want to see in this league, that I had seen take place in other leagues. Other recruiting tactics, other recruiting practices that are illegal." 

Recruiting a player that has already committed is not illegal, so Bielema is either talking about something else or its just hyperbole (and him being pissed).  I imagine he'll look like Michael Jackson doing the Moon Walk when he's pressed on it.  All these guys know illegal stuff goes on.  If it's in their program, they pretend it doesn't exist and send out word to either stop it or (more likely) make it less obvious.  It its in another program, they generally just bite the bullet, at least publicly, and try to get the info out through back channels.






Since: Aug 26, 2011
Posted on: February 3, 2012 11:04 am
 

Big Ten head coaches already upset with Meyer

Haven't people realized yet that this is no longer college athletics but a semi pro football league that people want the best exposure for when they get paid



Since: Feb 3, 2012
Posted on: February 3, 2012 10:55 am
 

Big Ten head coaches already upset with Meyer

You're naive to think that there's no coach out there that hasn't, or wouldn't, do the same thing!! This goes on every year and will until the end of time! Dantonio went after Dodson while he was committed to Wisconsin. Pretty hypocritical if you ask me!



Since: Aug 6, 2009
Posted on: February 3, 2012 10:53 am
 

Big Ten head coaches already upset with Meyer

The Big Ten Coaches are right.  We don't want any hint of SEC in the Big 10.  It sounds like that is where Meyer comes from?  No one has heard of him until he got into the Big Ten, and there is a reason for that.  Keep the sleaze out.



Since: Nov 17, 2007
Posted on: February 3, 2012 10:50 am
 

Big Ten head coaches already upset with Meyer

I have no problem with kids changing their minds to go play at a different school. Just call up to the coach you made the promise to, explain why you want out of your promise and get the coach's concurrence.
 
What I have a BIG problem with is a coach calling the kids and talking them into breaking their promise. Pittman had been verbally committed to Dantonio for over 5 months and nothing came out that was less than he loved MSU and really wanted to play for Dantonio. Nothing, until Darth Meyer called. The is EXACTLY what Darth Meyer did. He "called and asked." (His own words.) Pittman did not call Meyer.
 
A verbal commitment is a contract (yes, it is unenforceable, but it is a contract none-the-less), or in more practical terms, a promise. Calling a kid and sweet-talking that kid into breaking a promise is immoral and unethical. I give Se'Von Pittman a lot of credit for being classy enough to go to Coach Dantonio and discussing things as part of severing the verbal commitment. Darth Meyer on the otherhand is the epitome of classlessness. Raiding other schools for recruits is just plain disrespectful. It is akin to stealing.
 
When Coach Dantonio left Cincinnati, he announced where he was going and why. He did not try to pursuade kids to follow him but he did tell them that they would be welcomed if they choose to change their verbal commitments. It seems some of the recruits committed to Cincinnati and some to Dantonio. Not many (3 ?) changed their minds.
 
Some of you will never see the difference a kid changing his mind on his own and a kid changing his mind under the influence of a snakeoil salesman. Nothing can help the closed minds in the world.
 
Some of you will think this is just whining. Calling a post whining is not a legitimate counter argument. It seems any time someone has a legitimate complaint, the "whine and cheese" crowd comes out in droves. Try to grow up, will you?
 
Just because the SEC does it...  also is not a valid argument. Remember when your mama told you that just because everyone else jumped off the bridge was not a good reason for you doing it too? Instead of using that argument, just try to grow up a little.
 
There are so many evils going on, so much money and (it's cousin, corruption) in college football that it does not make sense cheerfully accepting nefarious tactics. Period.
 
Wisconsin, PSU,  and MSU along with ND have a legitimate complaint. I would not be against a collective attack by the 11 other B1G Ten school to poach OSU while honoring the gentleman's hands off agreement with each other. I doubt it will happen, though. There are, after all, 11 B1G Ten coaches who believe personal honor is a virtue.



Since: Dec 14, 2008
Posted on: February 3, 2012 10:46 am
 

Big Ten head coaches already upset with Meyer

Sour grapes.  This is big business and nothing illegal was done.  Coaches/recruiters use brainwashing tactics all the time to get commitments from kids that don't know 's*** from shineola'.  If Meyer can get them to change their minds before signing a letter of intent by selling his championships good for him.  That is why Ohio State hired him.  Teams in the Big Ten should try winning something before they start complaining.



Since: Nov 17, 2007
Posted on: February 3, 2012 10:40 am
 

Big Ten head coaches already upset with Meyer

I have no problem with kids changing their minds to go play at a different school. Just call up to the coach you made the promise to, explain why you want out of your promise and get the coach's concurrence.

What I have a BIG problem with is a coach calling the kids and talking them into breaking their promise. Pittman had been verbally committed to Dantonio for over 5 months and nothing came out that was less than he loved MSU and really wanted to play for Dantonio. Nothing, until Darth Meyer called. Pittman did not call Meyer.

A verbal commitment is a contract (yes, it is unenforceable, but it is a contract none-the-less), or in more practical terms, a promise. Calling a kid and sweet-talking that kid into breaking a promise is immoral and unethical. I give Se'Von Pittman a lot of credit for being classy for going to Dantonio and discussing things as part of severing the verbal commitment. Darth Meyer on the otherhand is the epitome of classless. Raiding other schools for recruits is just disrespectful.

When Coach Dantonio left Cincinnati, he announced where he was going and why. He did not try to pursuade kids to follow him but he did tell them that they would be welcomed if they choose to change.

Some of you will never see the difference. Some of you will think this is just whining. Neither of those is a legitimate counter argument. It seems any time someone has a legitimate complaint, the "whine and cheese" crowd comes out in droves. Try to grow up, will you?

Just because the SEC does it...  also is not an argument. Remember when your mama told you that just because everyone else jumped off the bridge was not a good reason for you doing it too? Instead of using that argument, just try to grow up a little.

There are so many evils going on, so much money and (it's cousin, corruption) in college football that it does not make sense cheerfully accepting nefarious tactics. Period.

Wisconsin, PSU,  and MSU along with ND have a legitimate complaint. I would not be against a collective attack by the 11 other B1G Ten school to poach OSU while honoring the gentleman's hands off agreement with each other. I doubt it will happen, though. There are, after all, 11 B1G Ten coaches who believe personal honor is a virtue.



Since: Aug 3, 2007
Posted on: February 3, 2012 10:36 am
 

Big Ten head coaches already upset with Meyer

"Other Big Ten coaches can either get on board, or run the risk of being left behind."

Sad day.  So this means give up your meager attempts at maintaining integrity.  The scurge of the SEC has taken hold of the Big Ten.  The end of an era.  I hope you Buckeye fans are comfortable with the fact that your institution is the anchor and chain that will drag the once proud conference into the depths of modern sports despotism. 



Since: Dec 6, 2009
Posted on: February 3, 2012 10:34 am
 

Big Ten head coaches already upset with Meyer

You are exactly right.  Wisconsin, of all schools should not talk about ethical recruitment of players.  Their QB situation was legal but highly questionable.  The Big 10 wants to compete and now they have the guy to show them how to get the talent.  Brady is in trouble going forward at mich.  He has one more year with Robinson and then its back to mich football.  A couple years of getting run all over by OSU and he will be "crawling" back West.



Since: Dec 6, 2009
Posted on: February 3, 2012 10:30 am
 

Big Ten head coaches already upset with Meyer

Lady Fan, you are wrong on almost every count.  The spread offense, when run efectively and with players that can run it, simply cannot be stopped.  Speed rules the day with the spread and Meyer had it all with FL.  He started losing the recruiting war and his offense cannot function at a high level with just good talent.  Once Nick got his program up and running, he just couldnt compete.  Alabama is still one of those schools that recruits itself.  Meyer has the best recruiting class in the Big10 and is going to run all over the slow stumbling defenses he will face weekly.  OSU will still have issues when they face the SEC teams but that is because the talent is better down South.  My hopes are that he can funnel some of that up North.  Look at the recruiting class to see how he is building this team.  It is not just RB's and WR's, it is OL and DL.  Do a little research before posting.

Muschamp needs to be given a chance.  So far he has proved nothing.  I am sure they have him on a short rope so he had better get it together quickly.  

 


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