...and I say, based on your response, you have serious reading comprehension problems. Where do I mention the Lakers in the above statement?"I say the Heat have yet to distinguish themselves as the kind of seriously accomplished team that can put themselves in the same category as those rare teams that have actually been able to repeat as NBA Champions in the modern era - mostly due to my contention that this only title your "Yes.We.Did" team won came in a lockout shortentend, asterisk season, and that thusly it has proved very little."And I say that based on that then you should have NO PROBLEM taking your great team even up over mine.
Alot of talking Jefe wothout the backbone to support your words.What are you talking about? I couldn't have made my words, or my contention any clearer or any easier to understand - I said the Heat were One And Done...do you understand what that means? It means I don't see them repeating! It's very simple - it means some other team will unseat them as NBA champions!
What do you mean there is no such thing as betting the field against the Heat? - I just did! How many times do I have to say the same thing before you get it through your thick skull? I don't think the Heat have proven to me that they have what it takes to repeat as NBA Champions, and that someone else will replace them atop the NBA throne next June."Stupid is as stupid does", turnip. On the one hand you say you take no offense at someone betting on the field to beat the Heat, on the other, you're saying it's stupid to think that the Heat cannot repeat - I submit to you that these two notions are one in the same."What?? There is no such thing as a betting the field to beat the Heat. You would have to bet on each team individually. That would be idiotic.
If you believe that is so far out of the realm of possibilty, how about we bet on it, and unlike pu$$y Jeffe who needs odds and every team, I will take the Clippers even up.<< f a c e p a l m ! >> Odds??? I don't need odds, all I said was someone else was going to prevent the Heat from repeating as NBA Champions next season! I don't understand how/why it is that you can't fathom this?
"One And Done!" (for Miami Heat)That looks to be your famous word here, please back it up. Tell us which team(s) has improved which can unseat the Heat? Which player(s) have they add to make the difference? How about improved team chemistry, conditioning, injury rehab etc... What about coaching staff changes? Give logical reasonings why you are saying so? If LA Lakers is your team, then stay behind your team, support them with everything you have, I can respect that. Otherwise, it's a bickering and jealous person that you make people see you as. It's just like someone calling you:
ucfalu, there are no twists, turns or spins in reference to my proclamation - it's a very simple statement. I based it on my ongoing contention that (historically) it takes a very special team to repeat as NBA Champions, and given their dubious accomplishment in last season's lockout shortened, asterisk season, I have yet to see the Heat distinguish themselves as one of those rare and special teams."One And Done!" (for Miami Heat)That looks to be your famous word here, please back it up. It's just like someone calling you: jefe101 is so STUPID. No, to me, I don't think jefe101 is stupid, he posted some good stuff. It's just that he made an idiotic statement and still try to twist, turn and spin his way to defend it.
Tell us which team(s) has improved which can unseat the Heat? Which player(s) have they add to make the difference? How about improved team chemistry, conditioning, injury rehab etc... What about coaching staff changes? Give logical reasonings why you are saying so? If LA Lakers is your team, then stay behind your team, support them with everything you have, I can respect that. Otherwise, it's a bickering and jealous person that you make people see you as.I could care less how I am perceived on this board - all you need to know, and all I've ever tried to be on this thread, is CBS Sports' #1 resident Heat Hater. My reasons for hating, or more accurately loathing, the Heat are well documented over the two+ years I've been posting here.
You are a MORON. You are reposting odds on winning the Finals, not the Pacific division.
UCFALU, see what happens when you write a logical, unbiased, common sense post? Crickets
Miami was TWO WINS away from doing it and you don't seem to be very impressed with them at all.woulda...shoulda...coulda...yeah, color me unimpressed!
And one of those seasons was in the very first year that they played together. It is not even remotely unreasonable to think they can't do it again.that's lovely twocoach...and, so...??? When Pat Riley won a championship with the Showtime Lakers in '87 (a special team if I've ever seen one), he guaranteed everyone in attendance at the parade that they'd win it again...and, they did. That's all I'm asking you, turnip or any other Heat fan here to do with these "Three Kings" of yours.
They will only continue to improve as a unit as they gain experience in how best to play together and the coaching staff learns how to best utilize what they have.and the best of the rest of the teams in the league? what are they doing...regressing?? The winds of change are a blowin'...
Evidently not, according to our logical, unbiased, common sense driven resident thread clown...You are a MORON. You are reposting odds on winning the Finals, not the Pacific division.So, if Vegas considers the Lakers 6-1 to win the title and the Clippers 30-1 to win the title, is it hard to infer from those odds that Vegas likely thinks that the Lakers are easily the favorite over the Clippers to win the Pacific?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8E_zMLCRNgUCFALU, see what happens when you write a logical, unbiased, common sense post? CricketsNo different than you. Did you figure out the difference between scoring more efficiently and scoring more points? Still contend that Kobe doesn't pass the ball?
I don't have to back up my statement by making a case for any one team to unseat them - my contention doesn't require the burden of proof or the kind of detail that you are clamoring for...it simply asserts that repeating as NBA Champions is extremely difficult and that the contending field is too good to allow me to think that the Heat have the requisite components and wherewithal to defend its * title.To me, that's much better stated. I totally respected it since that's your opinion. Where as "One and Done" was clearly a statement you made which sounded like a guaranteed.
I could care less how I am perceived on this board - all you need to know, and all I've ever tried to be on this thread, is CBS Sports' #1 resident Heat Hater. My reasons for hating, or more accurately loathing, the Heat are well documented over the two+ years I've been posting here.I don't have problem if you dislike the Heat as I normally cheered for the underdogs. At one point, I can't stand Chicago, LA for pulling all the talent together and kept on beating up on everyone else.
To me, that's much better stated. I totally respected it since that's your opinion. Where as "One and Done" was clearly a statement you made which sounded like a guaranteed.Not to steal away from Jefe response, I'll like to share my opinion on why Jefe could have a point. Before the start of Phil Jackson's season with the Lakers, he was question about the Lakers chances of winning a 3rd straight NBA Finals and returning to the Finals for a 4th straight year.
Still, I believe Miami Heat had the best chance to make it to the NBA finals as they have made it the past two years while no team in the east can really challenge them. Athough I believe NJ is better, NY is better, Boston is slightly better, Chicago will belong in the top 2 or 3 but none are really as good as Miami. With the way Miami dominated OKC in the finals, it's hard to imagine anyone from the West will be them 4/7 this year as none has made substantial improvement. Would you think this assessment is reasonable?
With the way Miami dominated OKC in the finals, it's hard to imagine anyone from the West will be them 4/7 this year as none has made substantial improvement. Would you think this assessment is reasonable?No, not really. I would consider the changes that the Lakers have made so far going into next season to emblematic of "substantial improvement". At the beginning of the off-season, there were three glaring deficiencies:
So far, the Lakers have legitimately addressed two of the three; the point guard position (Nash) and scoring off the bench (Jamison). I believe the Lakers are still going to end up addressing item #3 at some point before camp opens up, either using their miniMLE or by issuing another vet min contract for the likes of someone along the lines of a Jodie Meeks, Carlos Delfino, Mickael Pietrus, or the like.
The only thing stopping the Lakers from making that last move is this ongoing business that still is the pursuit of Dwight Howard, which may or may not come with the added burden (or asset, depending on your point of view) that is taking on Jason Richardson's contract.
In any event, I would consider the changes that the Lakers have already made as being substantial enough to vault them into legit title contention. If they end up getting Howard, I would upgrade "contention" to "favorites".
But I believe your hatred of the Heat is for the WRONG reason.
UCFALU, what are the right reasons to hate, or loathe, the Heat? Believe me when I tell you that, as a Lakers fan who has grown accustomed to winning (7 titles since I began following them) and a tradition and culture of excellence, jealousy has never entered into my thinking. That said, you've already touched on a couple of key characteristics that have forever tainted the way I feel about this Miami Heat team;
- Was there collusion? No, because it's all legal.
Legal...perhaps...collusive in nature insofar as how the "Three Kings" came together - from inception to execution - most definitely. But, hey, as turnip and flauge are fond of saying, "you gotta do whatever it takes to win" - and that, it seems, was the only way Miami was going to achieve that end. Ring chasing free agent superstars conspiring with Heat mgmt to gang up with eachother, to the exclusion of any other team realistically being in a position to acquire them...hey, if that's how you like to roll, more power to you!
- Was the "decision" that horrible?
Um, yeah, it was that horrible. And please, don't give me any of that, "well, you didn't have to watch it" crap...or, "hey, but it was all for charity"...my ass - that was as despicable. self-serving, vainglorious and truly cringe-worthy a watershed moment as I've ever been privvy to. To me, it still resonates to this day.
Have you watched it lately...especially in the wake of the foregone conclusion that has since become "Yes.We.Did"??? It's beyond reproach...and I don't mean in an overtly harmful or derogatory way - just flat out absurd.
To me, "The Decision" and "Yes.We.Did", set the table for the free agent antics of Dwight Howard, Carmelo Anthony, et al that was to follow. It was the watershed moment that changed the game insofar as "free agency" is concerned. Kobe "threatening to be traded" was power play and posturing designed to do one thing, and one thing only - get his team to take formative action to help him win now and restore his team's championship luster.
- Were James, Wades, Bosh etc... all thugs on the same team. Maybe, but they are not any worse than Artest, Bynum, Barnes and Kobe.
This has nothing to do with my loathing of the Heat...besides, and for the record, I don't consider any of the above "thugs"...
- Was there jealousy? To me yes, if James would have chosen LA, maybe we'd NOT have this conversation.
"Chosen L.A."??? The Lakers were never pursuing LeBron - the point is moot. Like I said, as a Lakers fan, I have absolutely no cause to be jealous of LeBron James or the Miami Heat. The Los Angeles Lakers have everything that LeBron and the Heat have...in spades! To the contrary, my loathing of the Heat has everything to do with how different they are from the Lakers!
That's OK twocoach, consider yourself exempt..."That's all I'm asking you, turnip or any other Heat fan here to do with these "Three Kings" of yours."I am sorry but I have not been reading all of the pages and pages (and pages) of childish rants between you, CL67 and Turnip. Pick any of the last 10 pages of posts and they all sound pretty much the same. It gets old after a while and I have been on vacation here and there, so I have no interest.
You are proposing what? Some type of bet? Challenge?Yes, well, turnip seems to have taken some serious exception to my "One And Done" claim, so I suggested that he make a bet - The Heat vs. The Field in 2013 - since he felt so strongly that it was patently ludicrous to say that the Heat weren't going to repeat as NBA Champions.