competitive? maybe. 2 of those 4 wins by OKC were double digit wins. the one Laker win saw LALA land shoot 41 free throws. I really dont think this series was as close as some LA fans make it out to be. Every playoff series will have close games. But next year, LALA land is a year older and further removed from their prime. OKC is still young and improving year in and year out. <br /><br />Nash makes the gap closer, i concede that point. I still dont think Nash gets LA 3 more wins in a 7 game series.
The concepts you're laying out have no factual basis. It's all based on your speculation and assumption. That is what YOU are failing to grasp...I don't fail to grasp that at all - I have no doubt that you are in complete denial about what I am, and have been, saying for quite some time now. That you lack the same speculative, muckraking instincts, and fail to connect the dots as I have is your own shortcoming - nothing I can do about that. Just don't play dumb with me and keep asking me to repeat myself.
It also has to do with your complete butt-hurt-ness that James won a title and has been the face of the league for quite some time. That is something that others who read this thread have "no trouble" grasping about you.Like I said, I could care less what you or others think of me.
Uh-Oh, Davwy. Be prepared to be called a moron, idiot and how 66 is less than 82 which means it was much easier for the Heat to win their * title.Ha! I took that into consideration, but ucfalu seems pretty rational and not looking to undercut an argument by spinning facts.
Not much more I can say about your (seems to be) radical thoughts. You don't care whatever people think, so I am going to give it a rest.
Now about which team will win the 2012-2013 season, do you have a favorite team or is it whoever win will be the team you pick?
The 3 older teams that will have negative impact with long season are San Antonio, LA Lakers and Boston. So looks like OKC will be favored coming out of the West?I agree younger are at an advantage as the season drives on, but that's with all things being equal. Usually older teams compensate for it in some ways like the Spurs and Celtics usually do. The plan was to rest Kobe more during the season as Phil Jackson did the previous season, but with injuries to other players and such, that didn't happen when they were fighting for seeding in a tough West. With extra scorers on the team like Nash and Jamison, it will be easier to find rest for Kobe, though the team still needs to acquire a back-up shooting guard. And cosidering the older team won the 5 of the last 4 Finals (Heat over Thunder, Mavericks over Heat, Lakers over Celtics (exception), Lakers over Magic, Celtics over Lakers), I would say experience is a bigger factor than youth.
It maybe a little easier for Miami as most EC teasm are on the east coast. There are only 5 teams on the West Coast, while most of WC team are in between.I'm not claiming that the Heat will have a harder time repeating than the Lakers because of travel. It's more of a comparison to the Bulls and how extra travel is more ware on a team. Phil Jackson could perceive the differenc the toll took on each team because he experience the mid-west travel and the coastal travel times. Miami travels more than other Eastern teams because further south in the hemisphere. I think the travel time between Portland and Miami is the greatest of all the teams. But you are correct, West Coast teams travel the most, espeicially with OKC on the schedule. The Norht East teams have the best schedule, as they are bunched. But Phil's point was more toward people thinking repeating isnt that hard, and but he was pointing out to two advantages that team had over the Lakers. Also, when he made that statement, the Lakers had been to 3 straight Finals and the talk was about going to the 4th which the Bulls never did. Jackson wasn't able to get the Kobe/Shaq or Kobe/Gasol to pass 3 straight either.
K. Bryant as you indicated, to me shows a strong will to win. However, it maybe negative sometimes as he seems much more selfish, taking bad/low percentage shot and at the same time throwing his teammates under the bus. Even in the later two NBA champ seasons, he was having bad games and taking many bad shots, luckily the 4, 5 big guys (Bynum, Gasol, Odom, Artest, Ariza) was able to offset Kobe's mistakes with much higher shooting percentages and obscene rebounding numbers.I think you may have bit of a bias here as many people who watch all the Laker's game. When Laker players are reluctant to shoot, Kobe will shoot more because he looses faith his teammates. World Peace addresses a few weeks ago on the local ESPN radion show. Kobe's shooting wasn't the subject matter, but he was talking about the attitudes of the players when they play for a player like Kobe. And his comment seem to allude towards Ramon Session's play.
L. James on the other hand may not have all the feistiness that Kobe has, and at one point being ridiculed as choker or soft of bum etc.... It's a different mentality as his hunger to win is creating easier shots for his teammate. Either way, there is hunger, in which way it maybe better - who knows. But no, K. Bryant is not anymore hunger than other elite players trying to establish their identity.You're making this about Kobe verus Lebron, when I was mearly pointing out how Jamison saw the behavior of many players after winning. And as I said, we don't know about Lebron or Bosh, because that scenario begins now. Coaches and teammates can't make a player hungry. They can motivate players, but hunger is a mentality they have to bring themselves. But I would point to Laker players who seemed less hungry after winning championships. That's why new blood seems to help. The 80s Lakers always had new blood, but thier core seem to have a different mentality.
At the same time, you cannot overlooked the monetary sacrifices that all these Miami guys made - to be able to bring a championship caliber team together.I think this is a bit overblown, as it's used to paint the guys as being a bit noble in their cause. First off, we're not talking about the choice of playing basketball or joining the military and serving your country. We are talking about men who have already made 10's of millions of dollars deciding to take a little bit less money which will have zero affect on their lifestyle or financial sercurity.
1. You have told us 1000x about your collusion theory, although you admit you have as much proof as the other idiots eith the alien lotto theoriesI think the lack of proof is what makes it a THOERY. Just sayin. Tossing that out there.
So far, the Lakers have legitimately addressed two of the three; the point guard position (Nash) and scoring off the bench (Jamison). I believe the Lakers are still going to end up addressing item #3 at some point before camp opens up, either using their miniMLE or by issuing another vet min contract for the likes of someone along the lines of a Jodie Meeks, Carlos Delfino, Mickael Pietrus, or the like.
The only thing stopping the Lakers from making that last move is this ongoing business that still is the pursuit of Dwight Howard, which may or may not come with the added burden (or asset, depending on your point of view) that is taking on Jason Richardson's contract.
In any event, I would consider the changes that the Lakers have already made as being substantial enough to vault them into legit title contention. If they end up getting Howard, I would upgrade "contention" to "favorites"."
However you really don't believe any of this or the man so hard looking to bet would rest on these laurels and take this team vs the Heat.
Instead, you want all other 29.
" But, hey, as turnip and flauge are fond of saying, "you gotta do whatever it takes to win" -"
Really?? I said that?? Never. No way.
Please don't put words in my mouth.
I would say those are more your thoughts since you openly and publicy wished serious injury on a athlete, a total stranger to you.
That was probably the most pathetic thing you ever uttered here
".Ring chasing free agent superstars conspiring with Heat mgmt to gang up with eachother, to the exclusion of any other team realistically being in a position to acquire them..."
But hey, I'm still pissed at Stern for not handing us Paul and letting us have the cap space to also go after Howard!! Both players still under contract.
In other and better words, Your just pissed because the Heat became better then at that time 2 time champs in a matter of a couple days.
" To me, it still resonates to this day."
For sure. It was probably the worst thing to happen in the world in the last 2 years. GOD are you F'D up.
"Kobe "threatening to be traded" was power play and posturing designed to do one thing, and one thing only - get his team to take formative action to help him win now and restore his team's championship luster"
And THIS is just another reason as to why we can all laugh at you.
my loathing of the Heat has everything to do with how different much better they are then the Lakers!
1. You have told us 1000x about your collusion theory, although you admit you have as much proof as the other idiots eith the alien lotto theories...That fact that years later it worked out that James/Wade/Bosh are all playing together is because they all happened to be in no win situations so change was necessary if they wanted to win and Riley was the only man smart enough to made sure he had the cap space in case it was needed...."in case it was needed" - that's very funny turnip! You better believe it was needed - the "case" was made way before your "Three Kings" became "free agents". Their talking about it years before "Yes.We.Did" was no secret, but their committing to Riley while they were still under contract with their respective teams sure was. Yeah, Riley sure was so smart! How amazingly prescient of him!
2. How many times are you going to tell us (Heat fans) that you question why we are here? Guess what? This is a public site, a public thread. As you can see by some of the welcome new faces here, that it is possible to have decent and fair discussion without all of the nonsense, regardless of which team you are a fan of.Hey, if you want to devote your entire existence within the CBS Sports online community squatting here on the "Heat Haters" club thread, be my guest - whatever floats your boat, turnip! I just think it's pretty hilarious.
3. As far as your ridiculous "one and done" claim , please explain how that correlates us into having to make a field bet with you in order to prove anything?...For you to proclaim the Heat can't win, should indicate that you have a strong opinion of who will win.No, not at all. Any one of a small handful of teams stand in their way. History has taught us that you have got to be an exceptional team to repeat as NBA Champions in the modern era - it is my contention that your Miami Heat are NOT one of those teams, sorry... hence "One And Done". I'm saying they will not repeat...twocoach (God bless him) says they will. What say you, turnip?
You remind me of the kid we all new in high school that had some book smarts, but not an ounce of common sense.You remind me of the village idiot.
..."the worst thing to happen in the world"??? Relax, all I said was that the folly of "The Decision" still resonates with me today."To me, it still resonates to this day."For sure. It was probably the worst thing to happen in the world in the last 2 years. GOD are you F'D up.
It's a single theory, turnip...and it's just one of three or four reasons why I loathe the Heat. Not sure what "vs some stranger athletes" means though..."I think the lack of proof is what makes it a THEORY. Just sayin. Tossing that out there"I think that people that try to convince other people that unproven theories are the basis of their reason of hate vs some stranger athletes for 2 + years would have to be a complete idiot.